Pathfinder: the Lowdown

[RobbyPants]

To nerf something that's not overpowered? It fits the bill with a lot of other "improvements" they've made.

[Archmage]

The logic is stupid and makes no sense. I wouldn't have a problem if they just said that, by default, eidolons are "ill-suited" as mounts as per the Ride rules.

Someone actually brought this up in the thread--you can ride a creature that's "ill-suited" to be a mount, but you take a -5 penalty to ride checks. This is workable. Instead, they've gone the route of saying that you just can't ride it into battle for some reason though it's unclear what you're supposed to do from a rules perspective if the party is ambushed while someone is riding on their Eidolon. I suppose they're required to dismount on their first action.

[RobbyPants]

So, why don't they want summoners riding these things, anyway? Is PF mounted combat awesome or something, or is it just the increased mobility they want to avoid?

[Ganbare Gincun]

So, why don't they want summoners riding these things, anyway? Is PF mounted combat awesome or something, or is it just the increased mobility they want to avoid?

Because it "doesn't feel right" - which is the ultimate justification for all of the other shitty changes they have made. /eyeroll

[Xur]

I'm ressurecting this thread for a question to all you people in the Den: is there anything you like about Pathfinder?* Like, you dislike anything but a handful of feats, classes, or maybe just the fluff in chapter x of the campaign setting.

I'm asking because I got the impression that a lot of people take just bits and pieces from Pathfinder and go back to their 3.5 homebrew, leaving the majority of Paizo's work alone.

* By that I don't mean "watching the fail of the Paizils" or some other shit, I mean real things written within the system and its supplements.

[TOZ]

Paladin class pre-nerfing. The concept of a CMB/D.

[malak]

The art in their books
The GameMastery Guide
Sorcerer Bloodlines
Rogue Talents

[hogarth]

I like the idea that a 1st-level wizard can zap with minor magic all day instead of having to fall back on using a crossbow.

I like the idea (if maybe not the practice) of having a monk's flurry of blows work the same way as Two-Weapon Fighting.

I like eliminating the d4 for hit points and increasing the rogue's hit die to d8.

I like that polymorph effects involve less cherry-picking from the Monster Manual, and yet they aren't totally generic (e.g. "pick one ability from column A and one from column B").

I like the idea of eliminating the penalty for buying cross-class skill ranks.

I like the idea of barbarian rage powers and rogue talents, giving those two classes a bit of customisability.

I'm sure I can think of some more ideas I like, given enough time.

EDIT: The idea of sorcerer bloodlines (if not the execution), as above.

[Juton]

I like the changes to the skill system and that you can get an extra skill point through favoured class. The changes they made to the Paladin where good. The change to power attack is better in a (very) low optimization group. The extra bit of HP Wizards get helps at lower level. I hesitate to say Wildshape is better, but it's more manageable for players and DMs. I also like how Barbarian's rage works and the rage powers, although I liked the Beta version better.

[DragonChild]

I like the idea that a 1st-level wizard can zap with minor magic all day instead of having to fall back on using a crossbow.

You seem to be confusing Pathfinder with 4e, here.

[MGuy]

I'm ressurecting this thread for a question to all you people in the Den: is there anything you like about Pathfinder?* Like, you dislike anything but a handful of feats, classes, or maybe just the fluff in chapter x of the campaign setting.

I'm asking because I got the impression that a lot of people take just bits and pieces from Pathfinder and go back to their 3.5 homebrew, leaving the majority of Paizo's work alone.

* By that I don't mean "watching the fail of the Paizils" or some other shit, I mean real things written within the system and its supplements.

I've asked this very same question quite a while back.

I like the talents, the idea of CMB/D, the idea of Bloodlines, The idea of monks with ki abilities, the idea of standardized HP rates.

[hogarth]

I like the idea that a 1st-level wizard can zap with minor magic all day instead of having to fall back on using a crossbow.

You seem to be confusing Pathfinder with 4e, here.

How so? A Pathfinder wizard can zap away with Ray of Frost or Acid Splash to his heart's content.

[sake]

Um... I like that they gave the Arcane Archer actual spell progression... I mean, sure it's still fucking elf only for some reason, and it's not full caster progression so you'll only take like 3 levels max of it before changing to a better Prc...but hey, it gives you martial weapon prof, so you can use it to get into EK... which is a hell of a lot more useful than the old version.

[Prak]

I like the idea that a 1st-level wizard can zap with minor magic all day instead of having to fall back on using a crossbow.

You seem to be confusing Pathfinder with 4e, here.

No, Pathfinder does it too. Cantrips and Orisons are at will, the number is just how many different ones you can use in a day

[TOZ]

Um... I like that they gave the Arcane Archer actual spell progression... I mean, sure it's still fucking elf only for some reason,

That was a typo, something they are notorious for. (see Inquisitor) No classes in PF have racial prereqs.

[DragonChild]

Sorry, I don't normally consider Ray of Frost to, well, exist, and thought you were talking about the useless zappy class features.

[Lago PARANOIA]

A bullshit option is not an option.

[Kaelik]

I think he's referring to only at level 1, after you have color sprayed some people, you can totally ray of frost the other people. Or whatever.

Personally, I prefer Caltrops + Cloudy Conjuration for my cantrips, but that would require being in a Pathfinder game (or infinite Caltrop game) that also allowed a good feat from 3.5 that isn't ass.

I assume Cloudy Conjuration would be banned from any Pathfinder game even if it were allowing other sources.

[Juton]

The old 1d6+1 zappy attacks where better than a crossbow at low levels, but they felt compelled to nerf them. I'd like to watch an archetypal PF game played, because I'm curious what they are thinking and doing while playing it.

[RandomCasualty2]

What's cloudy conjuration?

[TOZ]

Complete Mage Reserve Feat if I recall correctly.

Edit: Yes I do. Lets you create a square of sickening smoke when you summon a creature. Also acts as a fog cloud.

[Kaelik]

Complete Mage Reserve Feat if I recall correctly.

Edit: Yes I do. Lets you create a square of sickening smoke when you summon a creature. Also acts as a fog cloud.

Actually, wrong on both counts.

It's not a reserve feat, it's a feat that allows you to create a sickening cloud either in the location of your conjuration spell, or adjacent to it. So you can Conjure Caltrops, and place a sickening cloud in or next to the cloud.

[TOZ]

Fuck, I remembered the wrong keyword and didn't double check it. My bad.

[virgil]

I like the bardic knowledge and versatile performance.

[Psychic Robot]

I like Power Attack better.