Pathfinder Is Still Bad

Antariuk · Post by **Antariuk** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:46 pm

OgreBattle wrote:So what are the mythic powers Fighters get?

See for yourself, the unofficial PRD added Mythic rules.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:03 pm

yeah, okay. FUCK YOU Pathfinder.

Point-Blank Shot(Mythic)

Your accuracy with ranged attacks is unmatched at point-blank range.

Prerequisite(s): Point-Blank Shot.

Benefit: The bonus on attack and damage rolls granted by Point-Blank Shot increases to +2. As a swift action, you can expend one use of mythic power to gain an additional bonus on these rolls equal to half your tier.

Ooh, another +1 to hit and damage, and I get to add 1/2 my tier.. which doesn't sound like much.

I mean, for fucks sake this is 4E levels of lame mythic.
WHat the fuck is mythic about an extra +1 to hit at level 21+

Dean · Post by **Dean** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:23 pm

Read Mythic cleave if you want a laugh.

But seriously Spellbreaker, Mythic Spirited Charge, and Deadly Stroke are pretty good. Also the Champion, who is the mythic fighter, will give you a few class abilities. Aerial assault lets you charge low hanging flying opponents. It can give you Rage which is fine. Limitless range is actually pretty cool in that it multiplies all your ranged and thrown ranges by 5, making throwing characters kinda plausible. Fleet Warrior lets you move and full attack. And if you get all the way to mythic level 6 you can get sweeping strike which makes every attack you make hit everyone in your reach, so you can play Dynasty Warriors.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:32 pm

deanruel87 wrote:Read Mythic cleave if you want a laugh.

Or Mythic Furious Focus.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:32 pm

Charging low level hanging flying opponents is a power you should get when fly becomes a spell that can be reliably cast. Not at Over level 20.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:31 pm

sabs wrote:Charging low level hanging flying opponents is a power you should get when fly becomes a spell that can be reliably cast. Not at Over level 20.

The Mythic rules don't necessarily involve characters "over level 20". It's entirely possible to have a low-level mythic PC.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:47 pm

Given that Point-Blank Mythic has a prereq of regular mythic, and so do all of the other mythic feats, that's going to be fairly difficult to pull off. Because, really or the most part you just won't have the feat slots to pick up mythic feats till higher up.

Antariuk · Post by **Antariuk** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:21 pm

sabs wrote:Given that Point-Blank Mythic has a prereq of regular mythic, and so do all of the other mythic feats, that's going to be fairly difficult to pull off. Because, really or the most part you just won't have the feat slots to pick up mythic feats till higher up.

That doesn't make any sense. Point-Blank Shot (Mythic) has exactly one prerequisite, Point-Blank Shot, and yes, you bloody obviously need to be mythic, but that doesn't stop anyone from taking this feat at the 1st mythic rank (which grants you a feat).

Mythic Adventures is not explicitly post 20th level. Hell, chapter 1 of the new Wrath of the Righteous AP grants a mythic rank. I'm not saying it's good this way, but saying its difficult to pull off is just nonsense.

Red_Rob · Post by **Red_Rob** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:25 pm

So then what the fuck is the point of Mythic feats if they aren't difficult to pull off or in any way powerful?

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:20 pm

Red_Rob wrote:So then what the fuck is the point of Mythic feats if they aren't difficult to pull off or in any way powerful?

Some of them are powerful, or at least they're clearly more powerful than the corresponding regular feat. The usefulness of mythic feats varies wildly (which is not surprising, considering the usefulness of regular feats varies wildly too).

RadiantPhoenix · Post by **RadiantPhoenix** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:59 pm

It's another kind of leveling.

Because more fiddly bits mean you can sell more product.

Schleiermacher · Post by **Schleiermacher** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:04 pm

That is some seriously piddly, fiddly stuff there.

Typical Paizo fare really. Why, why do they love +1 bonuses so much?!

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:15 am

Schleiermacher wrote:That is some seriously piddly, fiddly stuff there.

Typical Paizo fare really. Why, why do they love +1 bonuses so much?!

Ravengm wrote:I think it's mostly a matter of people thinking "Well, we don't actually want this spell to depopulate the planet, but it sounds so awesome that way. Keep the fluff, make it do 1d6/level to a single target."

And then they break for an early lunch.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:55 am

Maybe there is a dude in paizo who is secretly releasing gud feats for low level fighters, mixed in among the chaff, and he continues his lonely struggle against the man in secret, and he is a tiny cat with a megaphone riding an ogre thing.

Krakatoa · Post by **Krakatoa** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:58 am

sabs wrote:I mean, for fucks sake this is 4E levels of lame mythic.
WHat the fuck is mythic about an extra +1 to hit at level 21+

You've never played 4E epic tier at all, have you?

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:10 am

Maybe there is a dude in paizo who is secretly releasing gud feats for low level fighters, mixed in among the chaff, and he continues his lonely struggle against the man in secret, and he is a tiny cat with a megaphone riding an ogre thing.

Two-Fisted Drinker: Draw two potions or drinks as a move action and drink both as a standard action

Jesus christ.

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:06 am

Ogre you continue to have the most interesting double posts.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:48 am

I've done it, too. I'll give me a posting error, I page back, and then I try to post again (often times while multitasking so I don't think about it for some minutes), and then, whammo. Doublepost separated by some span of time.

ishy · Post by **ishy** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:20 pm

But why not delete your latest post then?

Mask_De_H · Post by **Mask_De_H** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:48 pm

Anybody realize that PF has legally distinct Na'vi as a playable race now? With sexual dimorphism and everything.

Female Na'vi are pretty sick Enchanters, too. I leave blue furry waifu jokes as an exercise to the reader.

Archmage Joda · Post by **Archmage Joda** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:37 am

Quick Pathfinder question from me: For a necromancer cleric, do the benefits of the Undead Lord archetype outweight those of a second domain to go with Undeath?

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:20 am

No. If you got to choose a second domain or weren't forced to pick the (Un)Death domain, it wouldn't be so bad. But the Death domain and undeath subdomain in PF is shitty in both spell selection and power. That kind of combination is like having no domains whatsoever. The only thing really worth having is the Ghoul's Touch power and there are ways to get that if you really must have it.

Aside from that hiccough, the Undead Lord itself is all right. Command Undead as a bonus feat is very nice and at low levels the animated skeleton is very helpful. But if you anticipate your game going past level 6-8 or so I'd say pass on the archetype.

If you have a god with two good domains and/or can fly without a god, you should be an archetypeless cleric unless you have some serious cheese or a specific build in mind. Even if I wanted to be a melee beatdown cleric I would still probably want to eschew Crusader if my game was going to go past level 8 or so. Pathfinder domains are very good if you select the right ones. My favorite picks remain Darkness and Charm for a low-level game, two of Charm/Darkness/Animal/Void/Craft (Artifice)/(Imagination)/Travel for a higher-level one. Though you can make good arguments for Plant, Glory, Luck, (Flotsam), and Repose as well.

Nebuchadnezzar · Post by **Nebuchadnezzar** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:35 pm

Out of the idlest curiosity I'm asking the people who have paid more attention to PF than me if they know of any combinations that allow a character to adopt more than 2 archetypes within one class. I'd imagine that multiclassing would do so, as would the 3rd party multiclass archetypes, which I had not heard of before this thread. Thanks.

GâtFromKI · Post by **GâtFromKI** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:19 pm

sabs wrote:I mean, for fucks sake this is 4E levels of lame mythic.

Actually... No.

Epic powers in 4e have at least an epic fluff texts. The technical effect is full of shit, but the description is something like "you shot powerful lasers with your eyes, disintegrating anything in your line of sight" (and the effect is something like "2d6+Int damage, and the target is moved 1 square in some random direction").

In Pathfinder, they don't even try to have an epic fluff. I mean, the description of Mythic improved unarmed strike is "Your unarmed strikes are more powerful than others". Great. "Yesterday I saw a super-hero movie, it was truly epic! The main character's power was that his unarmed strikes were more powerful than others!" : is it just me, or does this description have some serious issues in the department of epicness?

In 4e, the gameplay is shit, but at least the graphisms are beautiful. Pathfinder's mythic has shitty graphisms as well as shitty gameplay.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:20 pm

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Out of the idlest curiosity I'm asking the people who have paid more attention to PF than me if they know of any combinations that allow a character to adopt more than 2 archetypes within one class. I'd imagine that multiclassing would do so, as would the 3rd party multiclass archetypes, which I had not heard of before this thread. Thanks.

You can take as many archetypes as you want, as long as they're not replacing the same class abilities. For instance, the monk archetype Monk of the Sacred Mountain replaces (or changes) evasion, slow fall, high jump, improved evasion and tongue of the sun and the moon, whereas the archetype Hungry Ghost Monk replaces stunning fist, purity of body, wholeness of body, diamond body and diamond soul. Since there's no overlap, you can be a Hungry Ghost Monk of the Sacred Mountain.