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Prak wrote:I'm pretty sure that at least in BTAS...you can reasonably say he doesn't even accidentally kill people,
My little brother has been marathoning BTAS lately. I popped over to his house for a visit and we watched a few episodes together. There were, on average per episode, two or three bat-kills averted solely by things Batman can't have planned for (i.e. criminal tossed off of the side of a building, lands on awning - does Batman have the location of every awning in Gotham memorized? How did he aim the fall that accurately? How did the awning stand up to the weight of a man falling 10+ stories, and even if it could, how did it absorb all of his momentum instead of bouncing him up ~15 feet in the air, which would also be a fatal fall depending on how he landed?). We came to the conclusion that the entire series takes place in purgatory, everyone is dead, and the universe contorts itself so no one is fatally injured, since their survival of a clearly fatal injury would make it obvious to them that something's up.

This is also why the Joker is able to convert an observatory into a giant cannon without anyone noticing: None of the scientists who work at the observatory have died and gone to Purgatory (or they've all passed on to other places), so the building is completely empty and the Joker could spend a month converting the telescope without raising any suspicions.
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This is lending more credence to this idea that Batman's super-power is self-control, both physical and mental.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

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If so, he's sharing that power with Daredevil, who has the same 'no killing' code supposedly in operation while he deals out kills-you-dead blunt force destruction many times over to quite possibly dozens of persons over on Netflix and then tries to guilt shame Electra and the Punisher about their violence.

Honestly the whole idea of 'no killing' rules for superheroes kind of annoys me (outside of ratings-induced requirements like in BTAS). Superheroes who work to minimize the deaths they cause but accept that yes, sometimes people are gonna die in the process are far more sympathetic to me than simply pretending that you can get by without causing any deaths and just pile up a massive sheet of broken bones and concussions.
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Honestly, the Bat Family could easily minimize the deaths they cause, because bat-nets and bat-bolos and shit. The super villains can get out, sure, but the mooks can easly just be roped up and left where they are while the Bats go after the super villain mastermind.
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I didn't even realise it was Robin's costume in the batcave.

Another thing that annoyed me about BvS is that Superman-Humanity interaction was restricted to the US and arab terrorists. Because fuck the other countries I guess.

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Mechalich wrote:Honestly the whole idea of 'no killing' rules for superheroes kind of annoys me (outside of ratings-induced requirements like in BTAS). Superheroes who work to minimize the deaths they cause but accept that yes, sometimes people are gonna die in the process are far more sympathetic to me than simply pretending that you can get by without causing any deaths and just pile up a massive sheet of broken bones and concussions.
In in the inFamous games, if you deal exactly enough damage to take out a bad guy, they fall to the ground wriggling in pain. If you hit them even one time more with your one-bolt-per-button-press lightning powers, they die. Whether you kill or incapacitate bad guys has no impact on the official morality meter, which honestly probably makes me love it more, since trying to zap people into not-quite-death is much more satisfying when you're doing it out of personal morals and not because it gives you ice magic instead of fire magic. The first game even goes out of its way to show a prison and make it clear that the cops are taking them there when you beat them, which is nonsense considering the city is otherwise clearly post-apocalyptic, but does wrap up the "won't they get away and kill other people" problem in a neat little bow.
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Nolan's Batman and TV show Daredevil have a strict code of no killing, except when they fight Asian ninjas from out of town then they get set on fire.

Maybe it's a "No killing Americans" code
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Another thing that annoyed me about BvS is that Superman-Humanity interaction was restricted to the US and arab terrorists. Because fuck the other countries I guess.
I thought the little girl he rescued and everyone trying to touch him and bowing down happened in Mexico.

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Chamomile wrote:
Prak wrote:I'm pretty sure that at least in BTAS...you can reasonably say he doesn't even accidentally kill people,
My little brother has been marathoning BTAS lately. I popped over to his house for a visit and we watched a few episodes together. There were, on average per episode, two or three bat-kills averted solely by things Batman can't have planned for (i.e. criminal tossed off of the side of a building, lands on awning - does Batman have the location of every awning in Gotham memorized? How did he aim the fall that accurately? How did the awning stand up to the weight of a man falling 10+ stories, and even if it could, how did it absorb all of his momentum instead of bouncing him up ~15 feet in the air, which would also be a fatal fall depending on how he landed?). We came to the conclusion that the entire series takes place in purgatory, everyone is dead, and the universe contorts itself so no one is fatally injured, since their survival of a clearly fatal injury would make it obvious to them that something's up.

This is also why the Joker is able to convert an observatory into a giant cannon without anyone noticing: None of the scientists who work at the observatory have died and gone to Purgatory (or they've all passed on to other places), so the building is completely empty and the Joker could spend a month converting the telescope without raising any suspicions.
Gotham was basically built on a portal to hell, for the purpose of summoning Bat-Cthulhu.
Longes wrote:I didn't even realise it was Robin's costume in the batcave.
Looks like Jason Todd's, specifically. This is a setting where Death in the Family happened and wasn't retconned by a superboy punch.

BvS is basically The Dark Knight Returns. We've got a veteran Batman who is in his Prime in the 90s, and who had retired for a bit, coming out of retirement to fight Superman and terrorists, probably in that order. And he's got a bunch of baggage from a couple decades of Batmaning.
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Maxus wrote:This is lending more credence to this idea that Batman's super-power is self-control, both physical and mental.
His power is localized reality-bending.

Otherwise, people would still die all the time. Sometimes the guy you perfectly hit gets a brain bleed and dies anyway, and sometimes the guy you throw a knife at dodges into the blade and takes it in the throat or a major artery instead, and sometimes the guy you trank has an allergy or a heart condition and just fucking dies.
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It's the standard real super hero power- certainty. Related to plot armor (they can't die because the plot needs them), they can do no wrong because they are empowered by the plot.
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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice spoiler below
They killed Jimmy Olsen. And not in a major climatic scene, either. In the first five minutes. He didn't even have enough screen time for anyone to say his name.
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K wrote:
Maxus wrote:This is lending more credence to this idea that Batman's super-power is self-control, both physical and mental.
His power is localized reality-bending.

Otherwise, people would still die all the time. Sometimes the guy you perfectly hit gets a brain bleed and dies anyway, and sometimes the guy you throw a knife at dodges into the blade and takes it in the throat or a major artery instead, and sometimes the guy you trank has an allergy or a heart condition and just fucking dies.
He can also get out of power armor and into his standard consume quicker than most mortals. Especially if rescuing someone with the same name as his mother.

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hyzmarca wrote:Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice spoiler below
They killed Jimmy Olsen. And not in a major climatic scene, either. In the first five minutes. He didn't even have enough screen time for anyone to say his name.
Who?
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Longes wrote:
hyzmarca wrote:Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice spoiler below
They killed Jimmy Olsen. And not in a major climatic scene, either. In the first five minutes. He didn't even have enough screen time for anyone to say his name.
Who?
Lois's cameraman, who gets shot in the head by terrorists at the beginning of the movie.
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I've said it before, and I'm going to say it again.

FUCK CRUNCYROLL, FUCK THEIR ADS, AND DOUBLE-FUCK THEIR FUCKING ANTI-ADBLOCKER VIDEO


edit: And fuck Kissanime too for their anti-Adblocker fuckery. Is there nowhere on the internet that I can just fucking watch something, ANYTHING, without being assaulted by [EDITED] [EDITED] fucking shit like this?
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Shrapnel wrote:I've said it before, and I'm going to say it again.

FUCK CRUNCYROLL, FUCK THEIR ADS, AND DOUBLE-FUCK THEIR FUCKING ANTI-ADBLOCKER VIDEO


edit: And fuck Kissanime too for their anti-Adblocker fuckery. Is there nowhere on the internet that I can just fucking watch something, ANYTHING, without being assaulted by [EDITED] [EDITED] fucking shit like this?
FUCK SHRAPNEL AND HIM NOT GIVING ME MONEY EVERY DAY FOR FREE! AND DOUBLE FUCK HIM FOR ASKING ME TO STOP STEALING FROM HIM!

Look, I run adblocker in general, but crunchyroll is one of my exceptions for a fucking reason, it's because that's how they make goddam money to provide the service that you are demanding.
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Yeah, no. See, I AM giving them money, I HAVE an account, and I STILL get a video that says I should turn off adblocker. The whole fucking point of having an account and giving them money is so that I DON'T have to sit through this shit.
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Shrapnel wrote:Yeah, no. See, I AM giving them money, I HAVE an account, and I STILL get a video that says I should turn off adblocker. The whole fucking point of having an account and giving them money is so that I DON'T have to sit through this shit.
While it might be dumb that it triggers on signed in members, if you don't see adds already because you are a member, then adding crunchyroll to your exceptions should cause no problem.
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The computer I use is a school computer, and we're not allowed to mess with the adblocker (my home computer is non-functional), so I don't see the problem going away anytime soon. For me, at least.
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Adblocker can also be used to block non-ad elements that a user might consider invasive or undesirable, so it is still kind of bullshit to trigger your anti-adblock on signed in members. It's either a pointless oversight or a deliberate "sure, you paid not to see ads, but nobody said anything about tracking cookies. Fuck you we're spying on you and selling the anonymized data to aggregators for a profit (or more likely just helping other people do so for a small cut)."
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Reminds me of the time my boss found out I was screwing around on the internet when I was supposed to be working and added the Let's Play archive added to the filtered list... I didn't actually get in trouble (I do tech support, if they fired everyone who used the internet for non-work purposes everyone on the team would be fired), but I took it as a hint to not fuck around so much on the company dime.
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In Crunchyroll's case specifically it would help if their ad algorithm wasn't so incredibly repetitive. I'm sorry, but showing me the exact same ad four times in a row, three times per show - which happens more often than not - has a negative impact on my curiosity towards whatever product it might be, and makes me want to throw things at the screen. If you're going to force everyone to watch the ads, try to come up with an ad experience that isn't obviously a complete waste of everyone's time.
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I had playing on a tertiary display the most recent DC animated film, Justice League vs. Teen Titans, since noise is a nominally tolerable counter to crushing ennui and that body of work is, if not good, at least consistent. At one point the TT are at a fair in plain clothes when bad guys show up. Then begins some sort of magical girl transformation sequence bullshit, whose like has not been seen in any previous DC animated product. This weeaboo fucking nonsense, when combined with an earlier scene's Skype conversation wherein Starfire has her webcam trained exclusively on her cleavage, makes me want to not even steal this garbage anymore.
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Mechalich wrote:In Crunchyroll's case specifically it would help if their ad algorithm wasn't so incredibly repetitive. I'm sorry, but showing me the exact same ad four times in a row, three times per show - which happens more often than not - has a negative impact on my curiosity towards whatever product it might be, and makes me want to throw things at the screen. If you're going to force everyone to watch the ads, try to come up with an ad experience that isn't obviously a complete waste of everyone's time.
Oh my god, this. You just articulated all my issues with Cruncyroll's ad set up.
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