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[Count Arioch the 28th]

I'm pretty sure you can still do offensive comedy by not giving a fuck. Whining that someone won't let you is the opposite of not giving a fuck.

[Prak]

The problem with Seinfeld is that he feels the only way he can be funny is by punching down. He certainly can get up on a stage and do that, but fewer and fewer people are finding that shit funny. So he whines about it, and blames us for being pussies because he's just not fucking funny. I suppose it's better than Michael Richard's harassment of his coworkers and using racist epithets against hecklers, but that's a low bar.

[Meikle641]

Prak. You're on the goddamn gaming Den, the /b/ or /pol/ of RPG boards. This is the place where people go for the throat with hostility, shit talk, and troll other gaming forums about how [some variation on "we're brilliant and everyone else who plays TTRPGs is a moron"]. This place is happier than a pig in shit when it comes to offending others and using vulgarities, but Seinfeld is beyond the pale?

[MGuy]

You hate him why exactly? I'm pretty sure he still does comedy even with the recent resurgence of PC culture.

He still does the comedy, he just also spends all his time complaining about how meany PC people are not letting him do comedy.

It's like being annoyed by a football player spending all his time on TV whining about how the game is shit now that he can't give people concussions.

It doesn't matter how good he is at his job, he talks all the time about it in a way that makes it clear he is a terrible person and he is totally wrong about objectively, what is going on in his profession.

That's news to me. I've only seen like one article that talked about how he doesn't want to go to college campuses anymore. I didn't know he was spending a lot of time complaining about not being able to work while still working.

[RobbyPants]

Prak. You're on the goddamn gaming Den, the /b/ or /pol/ of RPG boards. This is the place where people go for the throat with hostility, shit talk, and troll other gaming forums about how [some variation on "we're brilliant and everyone else who plays TTRPGs is a moron"]. This place is happier than a pig in shit when it comes to offending others and using vulgarities, but Seinfeld is beyond the pale?

Does Seinfeld only attack individuals in his comedy, or does he every generalize against groups?

Gaming-related attacks here tend to either be insults at individual designers or harsh, fact-based analysis of systems (and by extension, supporters of those systems).

I've never really listened to Seinfeld on stage, so I don't know, but I have a feeling you're equivocating somewhat, here.

[Kaelik]

That's news to me. I've only seen like one article that talked about how he doesn't want to go to college campuses anymore. I didn't know he was spending a lot of time complaining about not being able to work while still working.

I've only seen him on talk shows recently, and every single talk show he goes on, the entire thing he does is just whine about PC preventing him from doing comedy. But he insists he doesn't need pre-interviews, because he's established so he knows what he's doing (not recognizing that the pre-interview is an attempt to figure out how to trick him into not whining about PC).

He also apparently calls into radio shows and complains about it too, and it is probably on his own material, but fuck if I'm going to waste my time watching it.

[ishy]

[Whipstitch]

This place is happier than a pig in shit when it comes to offending others and using vulgarities, but Seinfeld is beyond the pale?

There's vulgarity and then there's stupid whining. The manner in which Seinfeld conducts his anti-PC crusade is fine for riling up other people who already agree with him but is tremendously ineffective for convincing anyone else. He's basically being a big whiny baby about hypothetical jokes and since he's presumably too afraid of tumblr to actually tell these hypothetical jokes his critics are free to imagine that these jokes are some combination of stupid, indefensible or just plain lame. I don't hate Jerry or necessarily even suspect his comedy would be beyond the pale but I do think he sounds like a chickenshit sometimes.

[Chamomile]

Seinfeld's concern baffles me. He has some of the most inoffensive, milquetoast comedy ever written. Lynch mobs aren't known for having rational, predictable targets (that's basically the entire reason they're frowned upon), but the number of people they do not target is still rather a lot larger than the number of people they do target, so it's weird that Seinfeld is at all worried about them, let alone the monomaniacal worry he's been expressing.

[Kaelik]

He made a gay french king joke, and some people told him his joke sucked on twitter or something.

He seems to be the kind of person who vastly overreacts to all stimuli. I mean, he did basically drop out of comedy entirely for several years when his show ended. Seems like he just overreacts to everything.

[Prak]

And now he drives around with other comedians drinking coffee and doing the comedic equivalent of mutual masturbation for his performance.

Wait, that makes it sound better than it is.

This place is happier than a pig in shit when it comes to offending others and using vulgarities, but Seinfeld is beyond the pale?

There's vulgarity and then there's stupid whining. The manner in which Seinfeld conducts his anti-PC crusade is fine for riling up other people who already agree with him but is tremendously ineffective for convincing anyone else. He's basically being a big whiny baby about hypothetical jokes and since he's presumably too afraid of tumblr to actually tell these hypothetical jokes his critics are free to imagine that these jokes are some combination of stupid, indefensible or just plain lame. I don't hate Jerry or necessarily even suspect his comedy would be beyond the pale but I do think he sounds like a chickenshit sometimes.

There's also a difference between invective and sexist/homophobic stereotypes. If a white comedian were complaining about how the PC police won't let him make jokes about black people being criminals and liking grape kool aid anymore, we'd savage the fuck out of them.

edit: it's also a question of audience, I guess. If I've sat down to watch The Aristocrats, then I've signed on for an hour an a half of offensive jokes (though I do expect them to be creatively offensive). But If I'm at my college commencement speech, and some chucklefuck got Jerry Seinfeld to be the speaker, at no point did I sign on to have my gender, sexuality and identity ridiculed by a hack comedian.

Note: just watch the individual tellings of the The Aristocrats. The documentary is more comedic self-congratulatory circlejerking.

[angelfromanotherpin]

Having been to a comedy club fairly recently, I can tell you that profane and offensive material is alive and well in the stand-up world. Unless Seinfeld's material is more 'being a prejudiced asshole' than 'being funny,' I have no idea what disapproval he could be facing. I think it's more likely he's run out of creativity and is just claiming to have new jokes he would tell if it weren't for the PC police. Because even if he was presenting his situation accurately, he'd still be confessing an astounding lack of creativity.

[Prak]

Seinfeld was stale when his show was on the air. I'd seriously see shows making fun of his "what's the deal with [mundane thing]" observational comedy style while his show was doing new episodes.

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[Count Arioch the 28th]

Prak. You're on the goddamn gaming Den, the /b/ or /pol/ of RPG boards.

lol no. This board is a hugbox with unwarranted self-importance and dwindling membership. Basically we're a less moderated version of Nifty circa 2005.

[DSMatticus]

You're on the goddamn gaming Den, the /b/ or /pol/ of RPG boards

The hell? /pol/'s distinguishing characteristic is not that they are mean and they use meanie-pants words. Their distinguishing characteristic is that they are primarily a bunch of horrifying fascists who believe there is a coming race war between white people and... everyone else. And also that homosexuality and transexuality are part of some nefarious (Jewish) conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids or whatever the fuck. And also "women I'm not telling you to get back in the kitchen, but could you at least stop whining when I tell you to get back in the kitchen (now get back in the kitchen). Man, it sure is a shame that when I say all these things I believe in public everyone treats me like a sociopath. Fucking PC police, am I right?" Meanwhile... we talk shit about entertainment products we think suck. It's a weird fucking comparison.

And I don't think anyone is complaining about Jerry Seinfeld's use of vulgarity. It's just that 99% of the time someone whines about the PC police, they are actually just a stupid asshole who doesn't understand why they shouldn't say racist shit. And I don't really believe Seinfeld is an exception, given there are a bunch of people who still make vulgar material dealing with race and sex and don't really get shit for it. Schumer's football-rape sketch went kind-of-sort-of viral among the demographic we're talking about (those damn PC college kids), and "stupid shit rapists think justify rape" is a routine Carlin was doing before any of those kids were even alive.

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I don't entirely agree with that guy.

We need to talk about the role that provocative comedy holds today in a progressive world.

It isn’t so much that college students are too politically correct (whatever your definition of that concept is), it’s that comedy in our progressive society today can no longer afford to be crass, or provocative for the sake of being offensive. Sexist humor and racist humor can no longer exist in comedy because these concepts are based on archaic ideals that have perpetrated injustice against minorities in the past.

No, fuck that noise. We do not need to talk about the role provocative comedy has today. The role is exactly the same as it's always been - to be funny and to entertain. If you want to use entertainment as a medium to do commentary about social issues, you can do that. Not only can you do that, but you'll be in the company of some of the greatest comedians of all time. But that is not the role of comedy, and if you want to do a bunch of irreverent bullshit you can just do that and it doesn't make you a terrible person or a shitty comedian. Entertainers don't owe you the privilege of championing on behalf of the causes you support.

There is a line you can cross as an entertainer, and it's the same line everyone else is expected to respect - you should not advocate or promote abhorrent things (like racism, sexism, or rape). Berteaux's implying a dichotomy between condemnation and promotion, and it's exactly those sort of mindless reactionary dichotomies that lead people to blame school shootings on violent videogames. There are absolutely jokes that are "over the line," but just because the punchline of the joke isn't "and rape is bad" doesn't automatically mean it's one of them."

[Whipstitch]

lol no. This board is a hugbox with unwarranted self-importance

Dude, thinking we're better than you is just good sense.

[Longes]

This is it folks. End of the line.

[ishy]

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[virgil]

When your tzimisce has a high humanity.

[Prak]

I kind of want to see OSSRs from Mabel Pines' POV now...

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[Stahlseele]

i don't get it ._.