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Bards Suck…

So lately there's been a lot of interest around here in Bards for some reason. Naturally of course, this is a subject that fills me with great sadness. The Bard is a horribly, yet justifiably maligned class. The goals of the 3.5 Bard are obvious – an attempt to justify taking more than a level in Bard for the occasional build coupled with an attempt to make each bard different from another with distinct musical flavor for each. The results are a catastrophe – there's no longer a reason to dip into Bard, there still isn't any reason to take Bard for the long haul, and most Bardic concepts are so skill point intensive that you can't actually do them even with an Intelligence of 18. So what the heck, we know what's wrong with it, why not remake the Bard into something that has but one ass?

Before that can even be done, Perform needs the following adjustment:

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You are trained in several types of artistic expression and know how to put on a show. Possible Perform types include ballad, buffoonery, chant, comedy, dance, drama, drums, epic, flute, harp, juggling, limericks, lute, mandolin, melody, mime, ode, pan pipes, puppetry, recorder, shalm, storytelling, trumpet, and tuba (the DM may authorize other types). You are trained in one form of performance per rank.


Bards that don't Suck

It is said that music has a special magic, and the bard proves that saying true. Wandering across the land, gathering lore, telling stories, working magic with his music, and living on the gratitude of his audience: such is the life of a bard. When chance or opportunity draws them into a conflict, bards serve as diplomats, negotiators, scouts, and spies.
A brd's magic comes from the heart. If his heart is good, a bard bring brings hope and courage to the downtrodden and uses his tricks, music, and magic to thwart the schemes of evildoers. If the nobles of the land are corrupt, the good bard is an enemy of the state, cunningly evading capture and raising the spirits of the oppressed. But music can spring from an evil heart as well. Evil bards eschew blatant violence in favor of manipulation, holding sway over the hearts and minds of others and taking what enraptured audiences "willingly" provide.

Adventurers: Bards see adventures as opportunities to learn. They practice their many skills and abilities, and they especially relish the opportunity to enter a long forgotten tomb, to discover ancient works of magic, to decipher old tomes, to travel to strange places, to encounter exotic creatures, and most importantly – to learn new songs and stories. Bards love to accompany heroes (and villains), joining their entourage to witness their deeds firsthand – a bard who can tell a marvelous story from personal experience earns renown among his fellows. Indeed, after telling so many stories about heroes doing mighty deeds, many bards take these themes to heart and assume the role of hero themselves.

Characteristics: A bard brings forth magic from his soul, not from a book. He can cast only a small number of spells, but he can cast them without selecting or preparing them in advance. Even more than the wizard, bards are adept at learning new magic. A bard's magic emphasizes charms and illusions over the more dramatic evocations that wizards and sorcerers often use.
In addition to spells, a bard works magic with his music and poetry, which can be seamlessly blended with their spellcasting to produce a number of effects.
Bards have some skills that rogues have, though they are not as focused on skill mastery as rogues are. Bards listen to stories as well as tell them, so they have a vast knowledge of local events and noteworthy items.

Alignment: Bards are driven first by music, which can be a powerful spontaneous force as easily as it can be a regimented and exacting science. Bards may be of any alignment.

Religion: Many bards revere Fharlanghn, god of roads. They sometimes camp near his wayside shrines, hoping to earn some coin from the travelers who stop to leave offerings for the god. Some bards, even those without a drop of elvish blood, worship Corellon Larethian, highest god of elves and patron of poetry and music. Good bards are also partial to Pelor, the sun god, believing that he watches over them in their travels. Bards given to chaos and larceny favor Oliadammara, god of thieves. Those who have turned to evil ways are known to worship Erythnul, the god of slaughter, though few will admit to it.

Background: An apprentice bard learns his skills and songs from a single experienced bard, whom he follows and serves until he is ready to strike out on his own. Many bards were once young runaways or orphans, befriended by wandering bards who became their mentors. Since bards occasionally congregate in formal or informal "colleges," the apprentice bard may meet many of the more prominent bards in the area. Still, a bard rarely has any special allegiance to bards as a whole, and many actively avoid contact with other bards for fear of them learning his songs. Some bards take this to an extreme, and become highly competitive with other bards, jealous of their reputation and defensive of their territory.

Races: Bards are commonly human, gnomes, elven, or half-elven. Humans take well to the wandering life and adapt well to new lands and customs. Elves are talented in music and magic, so the career of the bard comes naturally to them. Gnomes are inherently gifted with magic of the bardic sort, and the learning of the songs is a natural step for the young gnome. A bard's wandering ways suit many half-elves, who often feel like strangers even when at home. Half-orcs, even those raised among humans, find themselves ill-suited to the demands of a bardic career. There are no bardic traditions among the dwarves or Halflings, though occasional individuals of those races find teachers to train them in the ways of the bard – especially if they grow up near human settlements.
Bards are exceedingly rare among the savage humanoids except among centaurs and kobolds. Centaur bards sometimes train the children of humans or other humanoids. Kobold bardic traditions are ancient and possessed of a bitter rivalry with those of the gnomes.

Other Classes: A bard works well with the companionship of other classes. He often serves as the spokesman of the party, using his social skills for the party's benefit. In a party without a wizard or a sorcerer, the bard relies on his magic. In a party without a rogue, he uses his skills. A bard is curious about the ways of more focused or dedicated adventurers, often trying to pick up pointers from fighters, sorcerers, and rogues.

Game Rule Information

Alignment: Any.
Hit Die: d6.

Class Skills
The bard’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Appraise (Int), Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disguise (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Gather Information (Cha), Hide (Dex), Jump (Str), Knowledge (all skills, taken individually) (Int), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Perform (Cha), Profession (Wis), Sense Motive (Wis), Sleight of Hand (Dex), Speak Language (n/a), Spellcraft (Int), Swim (Str), Tumble (Dex), and Use Magic Device (Cha).
Skill Points at 1st Level: (4 + Int modifier) x4.
Skill Points at Each Additional Level: 4 + Int modifier.
Base Attack Bonus: Medium (3/4)
Saving Throws: Fort Poor; Reflex Good; Willpower Good

Level Benefit:

1st Bardic Knowledge, Performance Trick, Blended Casting.
2nd Bonus Feat
3rd Performance Trick
4th Bonus Feat, Still Spells
5th Performance Trick
6th Bonus Feat, Silent Spells
7th Performance Trick
8th Bonus Feat, Spell Focus: Enchantment
9th Performance Trick
10th Bonus Feat, Focused Skill Mastery
11th Performance Trick
12th Bonus Feat, Spell Focus: Illusion
13th Performance Trick
14th Bonus Feat, Spell Penetration
15th Performance Trick
16th Bonus Feat, Special Ability
17th Performance Trick
18th Bonus Feat
19th Performance Trick
20th Bonus Feat, Special Ability

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Class Features
All of the following are class features of the bard:

Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: A bard is proficient with all simple weapons, plus any five martial weapons of their choice, and the bladed fan, bolas, elven lightblade, and whip. Bards are proficient with light armor and shields (except tower shields). A bard can cast bard spells while wearing any armor he is proficient with without incurring the normal arcane spell failure chance. However, like any other arcane spellcaster, a bard wearing armor he is not proficient with shield incurs a chance of arcane spell failure if the spell in question has a somatic component (most do). A multiclass bard still incurs the normal arcane spell failure chance for arcane spells received from other classes.

Spells: A bard casts arcane spells, which are drawn from the bard spell list. He can cast any spell he knows without preparing it ahead of time. Every bard spell has a verbal component (singing, reciting, or music), or a somatic component (dancing, puppetry, or mime), and must make a Perform check of an appropriate type with a DC of 5 + Double the Spell Level or the spell fails. To learn or cast a spell, a bard must have a Charisma score equal to at least 10 + the spell. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a bard’s spell is 10 + the spell level + the bard’s Charisma modifier. Unlike a sorcerer, a bard may know any number of spells, but while he will probably know many spells, he can only cast a small number of them each day.

Learning Songs: A bard begins play knowing 12 0-level bard spells. For each point of Charisma bonus the bard has, he begins playing knowing one additional 0-level spell of your choice. At each new bard level, he gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that he can cast (based on his new bard level). At any time, a bard can also learn spells found in written form or which he perceives being cast by other bards.
If a bard sees another bard casting a bard spell with somatic components, he can make a spot check with a DC of the casting bard's Perform check to immediately learn the spell. If a bard hears another bard casting a bard spell with verbal components, he can make a Listen check with a DC equal to the casting bard's Perform check result to immediately learn the spell. If a bard deciphers arcane magical writing containing a bard spell in written form, he may learn that spell.

Bardic Knowledge: A Bard gains Skill Focus as a bonus feat for any knowledge skill he has at least one rank in. A bard with Knowledge (local) is considered to have local knowledge for any area he has been in for any length of time. When he arrives in a new land, his ranks in Knowledge (local) "catch up" at the rate of one per day as long as he is able to spend at least one hour per day telling stories and listening to gossip.

Performance Trick: At every odd numbered level, a bard gains a specific magical ability that they can use with a type of performance. All of a bard's Performance Tricks can be used at will and are a Supernatural Ability. Activating or maintaining a Performance Trick requires only a Swift Action each round, but the performance always lasts at least an entire round. The Save DC, if any, of a trick is 10 + ½ of the bard's character level + the bard's charisma modifier, or the bard's performance skill check result, whichever is less. Each trick may only be used with one category of performance from the following list (the types of components used are listed in parenthesis): Acting (S, V), Comedy (S, V), Dance (S), Keyboard Instruments (S, F), Oratory (V), Percussion Instruments (S, F), String Instruments (S, F), Wind Instruments (S, V, F), Singing (V). The list here is not intended to be exclusive, and DMs are encouraged to introduce more unique performance powers into his campaign.

Blended Casting: A bard is able to cast and maintain concentration on spells simultaneously with using his bardic performance tricks, provided that the spells in question do not use the same components (verbal or somatic) as the performance type being used requires.

Bonus Feats: At every even numbered level, a bard gains Skill Focus as a bonus feat that may be applied to any skill he has at least one rank in.

Still Spells (Ex): A bard of 4th level or higher may cast his spells without somatic components at will as if using the Still Spell metamagic, though without using up a higher level spell slot. All of a bard's spells must still have Somatic or Verbal components though, so a spell that already has no Verbal components cannot be made Still in this way.

Silent Spells (Ex): A bard of 6th level or higher may cast his spells without verbal components at will as if using the Silent Spell metamagic, though without using up a higher level spell slot. All of a bard's spells must still have Somatic or Verbal components though, so a spell that already has no Somatic components cannot be made Silent in this way.

Spell Focus: A bard of 8th level gains Spell Focus: Enchantment as a bonus feat. If he already has Spell Focus: Enchantment, he gains Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment instead. A bard of 12th level gains Spell Focus: Illusion as a bonus feat. If he already has Spell Focus: Illusion, he gains Greater Spell Focus: Illusion instead. A bard of 14th level gains Spell Penetration as a bonus feat. If he already has Spell Penetration, he gains Greater Spell Penetration instead.

Focused Skill Mastery: At 10th level, a bard is able to perform any tasks he really sets his mind towards. He can take 10 on any skill check for which he has the Skill Focus Feat

Special Ability: At 16th and 20th level, a bard may select a Rogue Special Ability.

The Bard Spell-List:

0th: Addiction, Bless, Create Water, Cure Light Wounds, Dancing Lights, Darkness, Daze, Death Grimace, Detect Magic, Detect Poison, Drug Resistance, Flare, Ghost Harp, Ghost Sound, Hypnotism, Insightful Feint, Light, Mage Hand, Mending, Open/Close, Prestidigitation, Purify Food and Drink, Read Magic, Resistance, Restful Slumber, Silent Image, Silent Portal, Songbird, Stick, Ventriloquism
1st: Accelerated Movement, Alarm, Amplify, Appraising Touch, Blur, Charm Person or Animal, Cheat, Critical Strike, Cure Moderate Wounds, Detect Secret Doors, Disguise Self, Expeditious Retreat, Feather Fall, Grease, Greater Dispelling, Hypnotic Pattern, Healthful Rest, Identify, Improvisation, Insidious Rhythm, Joyful Noise, Mage Armor, Magic Weapon, Minor Image, Mirror Image, Phantom Threat, Scare, Serene Visage, Silence, Sticky Fingers, Summon Monster II, Tasha's Hideous Laughter, Unseen Servant
2nd: Animal Trance, Battle Hymn, Bear's Endurance, Blindness/Deafness, Bull's Strength, Cat's Grace, Circle Dance, Cure Serious Wounds, Daylight, Deeper Darkness, Delay Poison, Detect Thoughts, Eagle's Splendor, Entice Gift, Fox's Cunning, Grace, Greater Alarm, Harmonic Chorus, Haunting Tune, Invisibility, Levitate, Locate Object, Major Image, Mindless Rage, Misdirection, Owl's Wisdom, Prayer, Pyrotechnics, See Invisibility, Shatter, Sound Burst, Suggestion, Summon Monster III, Summon Swarm, Suspended Silence, Tactical Precision, Tongues, Undetectable Alignment, War Cry, Wave of Grief, Whispering Wind, Wraithstrike
3rd: Bestow Curse, Blink, Charm Monster, Confusion, Cure Critical Wounds, Dirge of Discord, Dream Walk, Fear, Greater Magic Weapon, Haste, Hymn of Praise, Infernal Threnody, Love's Lament, Magic Circle, Phantom Steed, Puppeteer, Rainbow Pattern, Recitation, Remove Curse, Stunning Screech, Summon Monster IV, Tiny Hut, Voice of the Dragon
4th: Break Enchantment, Cacophonic shield, Celebration, Detect Scrying, Dimension Door, Dismissal, Dominate Person, Dream, Greater Resistance, Hallucinatory Terrain, Hold Monster, Improved Invisibility, Lay of the Land, Legend Lore, Scry, Secure Shelter, Locate Creature, Manifest Desire, Manifest Nightmare, Mirror Sending, Modify Memory, Neutralize Poison, Persistent Image, Pronouncement of Fate, Ruin Delver's Fortune, Sensory Deprivation, Shout, Stop Heart, Sirine's Grace, Summon Monster V
5th: Atonement, Body Harmonic, Cacophonic Burst, Contact Other Planes, Control Water, Dreaming Puppet, False Vision, Hide from Dragons, Illusory Feast, Mind Fog, Mirage Arcana, Mass Reflective Disguise, Mass Suggestion, Mislead, Morality Undone, Nightmare, Permanent Image, Programmed Image, Shadow Form, Summon Monster VI, Wail of Doom
6th: Control Weather, Eyebite, Dirge, Dream Casting, Geas, Greater Scrying, Hindsight, Hiss of Sleep, Illusory Pit, Insanity, Nixie's Grace, Oath of Blood, Plane shift, Project Image, Repulsion, Summon Monster VII, Superior Resistance, Symphonic Nightmare, Veil
7th: Antipathy, Dream Sight, Familial Geas, Greater Planeshift, Greater Teleport, Irresistible Dance, Mass Charm, Mass Modify Memory, Powerword: Stun, Shadow walk, Solipsism, Summon Monster VIII, Sympathy, Transfix
8th: Demand, Dominate Monster, Maddening Whispers, Plague of Nightmares, Powerword: Blind, Shifting Paths, Summon Monster IX, Superior Invisibility, Wrathful Castigation
9th: Gate, Powerword: Kill, Programmed Amnesia, shades, Teleportation, Temporal Stasis, Weird

Performance Tricks:

Countersong:
While the performance is ongoing, the bard can attempt to suppress magical effects with the [Sonic] descriptor and spells with a verbal component. Anyone within medium range of the bard attempting to use or maintain such a spell or ability must make a Willpower save or their spell or ability fizzles.
Allowed Performance Styles: Acting (S, V), Comedy (S, V), Keyboard Instruments (S, F), Oratory (V), Percussion Instruments (S, F), String Instruments (S, F), Wind Instruments (S, V, F), Singing (V)

Inspire Courage:
All allies within close range of the bard who see or hear the performance gain a morale bonus to attack and damage rolls equal to 1/4th of the bard's class level (round up) for as long as the performance continues and they remain in range, and for 1 round per level after they are no longer able to perceive the performance or are no longer in range.
Allowed Performance Styles: Acting (S, V), Comedy (S, V), Dance (S), Keyboard Instruments (S, F), Oratory (V), Percussion Instruments (S, F), String Instruments (S, F), Wind Instruments (S, V, F), Singing (V)

Destructive Cacophony:
Each round that the cacophony is maintained, one additional target within medium range suffers 1d6 of Sonic damage per turn for as long as it remains within range. The bard must select an additional target each round or end the cacophony. The bard may only maintain this effect for a number of subsequent rounds equal to his bard level.
Allowed Performance Styles: Keyboard Instruments (S, F), Percussion Instruments (S, F), String Instruments (S, F), Wind Instruments (S, V, F), Singing (V)

Requiem:
The bard can produce a haunting melody that renders undead very docile, possibly even friendly. For the first 10 rounds an undead creature hears the song (and is within close range), the song acts as a halt undead effect, undead which fail their Will saves are stuck fast for 10 rounds (or until the performance stops or the undead creatures are no longer in range or take damage). If the effect is still going at the end of 10 rounds, the bard may make a Perform check as if it were a diplomacy check to improve the undead creature's disposition. Regardless of the outcome of that check, the undead creatures can again move normally.
Allowed Performance Styles: Keyboard Instruments (S, F), Percussion Instruments (S, F), String Instruments (S, F), Wind Instruments (S, V, F)

Bewilder:
The bard makes a performance so avante guarde, so surprising, that onlookers are left unsure of what to do or say. Audiences within medium range must make a Will save each round or become dazed for one round.
Allowed Performance Styles: Acting (S, V), Comedy (S, V), Dance (S), Keyboard Instruments (S, F), Oratory (V), Percussion Instruments (S, F), String Instruments (S, F), Wind Instruments (S, V, F), Singing (V)

Will think of more I guess.

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Obviously, it requires enough performance tricks to be available that each Performance style is independently useful and unique enough to matter. Also it wants enough that each bard feels unique and special - so the guy with the tuba who breaks shit is neat enough that people care.

It also wants for there to be techniques that are good for jugglers:

Song of the Weak Mind
While the music plays, the audience suffers a -4 penalty on Will saves vs. spells of the Illusion and Enchantment schools for as long as they remain within medium range. The duration of any stunned or dazed conditions are extended y 1 round if they are applied within medium range of the source of the song.
Allowed Performance Styles: Keyboard Instruments, String Instruments, Wind Instruments, Singing

It wants techniques that are good for a Gish:

Dance of the Seven Swords
As long as the bard continues to dance, he is considered to have a BAB equal to his character level. The bard may make an extra attack of opportunity each round (as per the Combat Reflexes feat) for every 10 full points his Perform check exceeds 10. The bard gains a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls for every full 20 points his perform check exceeds 10.
Allowed Performance Styles: Dance

It wants techniques for a Diplomancer:

Torrent of Anger
The bard attempts to inflame passions against a target. All audience members find the performance fascinating and are compelled to watch for its duration (or until they are snapped out of it by violent action) if they are within medium range and fail a Willpower save. Creatures who watch for at least 10 minutes become unfriendly to a target of the bard's choosing (unless they were alread hostile), and one step more friendly towards any person or group known to be enemies of the new source of antipathy.
allowed performance styles: Acting, Comedy, Oratory

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Your 4 Ranks/Level + Bonus SkFocus Feat mechanic is interesting. Why not just go with 6 Ranks/Level instead? Also, the Swim skill seems a bit inappropriate for someone who will probably be lugging around a mandolin or a flute.

Otherwise, very nice. :-) There's a whole ton of Bard Song feats out there that could use some conversion to Performance Tricks.
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The goal on the skills is to have someone who uses skils differently from the Rogue, not merely worse. By handing out Skill focus and a small amount of skill points, the bard is forced to choose between being more specialized and more diversified than the Rogue. A probable end result is a Bard who dabbles in a lot of knowledge skills and is really good at performances - which is actually the goal.

As for having swim on the list - I just left the bard skill selection alone. Also, the class is supposed to represent people like Giacamo from The Court Jester - and I'm pretty sure he could swim if he wants to. And lastly of course, the class eventually learns Sirine's Grace if it wants, so having Swim be an option is only fair. ;)

And yes, the goal is to take all the bardic feats crap and fold it into performance tricks. Green Ear, for example, would be a performance trick called Forest Song.

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Frank Trollman wrote:If a bard sees another bard casting a bard spell with somatic components, he can make a spot check with a DC of the casting bard's Perform check to immediately learn the spell. If a bard hears another bard casting a bard spell with verbal components, he can make a Listen check with a DC equal to the casting bard's Perform check result to immediately learn the spell. If a bard deciphers arcane magical writing containing a bard spell in written form, he may learn that spell.


I really like this idea. Bards stealing songs from their rivals is just neat. Having a set number of spells that is small and low level was never any fun.


Frank Trollman wrote:A bard begins play knowing 12 0-level bard spells.


This seems like way too many spells to keep track of. Waiting for the cleric to go through the list of all his available spells to pick the ones he wants at the beginning of every day is lame: imagine having the bard do that in the middle of every encounter.

Since you make it easy for bards to learn new spells anyway, why not have a first level bard start out with something like 4 spells? As time goes by the bard learns more while the player becomes more familiar with all the different options.
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This post is a year old in 4 days, an I thouht I'd bump it saying that it's an other allowed class in the campaign that I'll be starting.
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Why programmed amnesia instead of mindrape? Just the [Evil] tag thing?
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NineInchNall at [unixtime wrote:1176500229[/unixtime]]Why programmed amnesia instead of mindrape? Just the [Evil] tag thing?


I think I was trying to make it as 3.5 compatible as possible at the time. I don't really remember my reasoning - but of course mind rape is an absurdly powerful spell.

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Are there really any differences between the two? The spell descriptions are long and I don't like reading them.
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oh, casting time, xp cost ...
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Wait, Skill Focus doesn't stack. So the bonus feat at every even level and having the bonus feat due to one rank in a skill will still only net the +3 bonus.
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As for having swim on the list - I just left the bard skill selection alone. Also, the class is supposed to represent people like Giacamo from The Court Jester - and I'm pretty sure he could swim if he wants to. And lastly of course, the class eventually learns Sirine's Grace if it wants, so having Swim be an option is only fair. :wink:


And you can then have bards who inspire through syncronized swimming :)
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ckafrica at [unixtime wrote:1190315809[/unixtime]]And you can then have bards who inspire through syncronized swimming :)


Well actually you can't. There is no rule mechanism for coordinated bardic performances. No barbershop quartet, or string quartet, or chamber music, and definitely no aquatic chorus for Esther Williams.
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Aid Another exists, and is DC 10.
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Thats an odd bit of thread necromancy. Especially on a non-issue.

Bardic Knowledge is only giving skill focus in knowledge skills. The bonus skill focus is individually applied to anything else, one at a time, as you level. So no stacking.
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Re: Bards?

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Bards have always been the brunt of jokes with me and my friends, starting back when flipping through the classes section of AD&D led one to a scrawny guy with a lute wearing a harlequin outfit that gave the appearance of a rooster.
Things haven't changed much in 3.x.

Frank: The ability assortment is nice, but isn't the whole point of being Bard to be the Jack-of-all-trades?
You know, like a Red Mage (which my girlfriend insists is the worst FF class ever) and not like a multi-specialist.

Still, if the Focuses/Focii are class abilities, I'd prefer more option than a railroad track of Silent spell then Spell Focus: Enchantment then Illusion. These should be bonus feats with choice, not single mandatory abilities IMHO.



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Sticky?

Or rather, could this be added to one of the Tomes eventually?
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Additional Performance Tricks, hopefully...

Building Crescendo:
Inanimate objects within Medium range of the performance are considered magically treated (+20 break DC, x2 hardness) and have a saving throw bonus to all saves equal to the bard's Will save, and this protection continues for as long as the bard maintains the performance. In addition, any who perform a Craft check for at least an hour within the influence of the crescendo will make twice as much progress for that day; thus allowing crafting to be done in half the time if the bard is around for multiple consecutive days.
Allowed Performance Styles: Oratory (V), Percussion Instruments (S, F), Singing (V), String Instruments (S, F)

Taming of the Beast:
For the first 10 rounds an animal hears the song (and is within close range), the song acts as a daze monster effect, stopping the creature for 10 rounds (or the performance ends, out of range, or the creature takes damage). If the effect is still going at the end of 10 rounds, the bard may make a Perform check as if it were a diplomacy check to improve the animal's disposition. Regardless of the outcome of this check, the animal is released from the daze effect and can move normally.
Allowed Performance Styles: Dance (S), Singing (V), Wind Instruments (S, V, F)

Siren's Call:
Your performance transcends distance. A single creature on the same plane chosen by you makes a Will save with the same modifiers as scrying, failure resulting in them receiving a short message (25 words or less) as well as the bard learning a very rough approximation of direction and distance to the target.The bard can use the message to request the presence of the victim, forcing a second Will save or react two steps more friendly in attitude towards the request (includes a basic idea of where the bard is). Successfully making the save against either of the effects renders the victim immune to further use of the bard's performance trick for 24 hours.
Allowed Performance Styles: Keyboard Instruments (S, F), Singing (V), Wind Instruments (S, V, F)

Enduring Melody:
You subsume the concentration of a spell into the magic of your song, allowing concentration to be maintained through the performance rather than the spell itself. This frees up the bard so that he can cast another spell while maintaining the first one with his performance, potentially allowing for two spells of concentration duration at once.
Allowed Performance Styles: Dance (S), Oratory (V), Keyboard Instrument (S, F), Percussion Instrument (S, F), Singing (V)

Song of Life:
Allies within Close range automatically stabilizes, bleeding effects are countered as if subject to magic healing, and gain DR 1/- as long as they remain within range of the song. The DR is increased by 1 for every 10 points the Perform check exceeds 10.
Allowed Performance Styles: Dance (S), Oratory (V), Percussion Instrument (S, F), Wind Instrument (S, V, F), Singing (V)
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Post by Ice9 »

I hadn't seen this before - looks pretty sweet. A couple things:
1) Are the bonus Skill Focus feats that 3.5 standard version, or the Tome version?
2) It seems like the S+V performance types should get exclusive performance tricks which are stronger and/or don't require maintaining, given that they can't cast spells while performing.
3) Do all the S performance types require a free hand (like spells) or is Dance exempt from that? If not, maybe it should be, to get full benefit from Dance of the Seven Swords.
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Post by Gelare »

Ice9 wrote:2) It seems like the S+V performance types should get exclusive performance tricks which are stronger and/or don't require maintaining, given that they can't cast spells while performing.
Yeah, what's the deal with that? Why do we want all bards to only be singers or dancers?
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I was under the impression that, to cast a spell with verbal and somatic components, you need to use an SV tradition.
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Blended Casting: A bard is able to cast and maintain concentration on spells simultaneously with using his bardic performance tricks, provided that the spells in question do not use the same components (verbal or somatic) as the performance type being used requires.
By 6th level Bards can make any spell Still or Silent (but not both), so Singing or Dancing combines fine with spellcasting. But Wind Instruments, for example, doesn't.
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Post by Arijkos »

Hey wow, this bard look very interesting. It isn't in the Tome, is it? Never seen it before...

I really like the approach with 4+Int skills and skill focus, looks different from rogues and thats good. Has anyone played this class yet? I'm curious how it performed within a party.

The only thing I not sure about are the number of performance tricks a bard learns. 10 is a huge amount. While it may be sufficient to create a distinct bard, it looks like it goes the usual way of re-arranging the order of powers you get, but ending up with the same like everyone else in the end. What would happen if you cut it to 6-8 Performance Tricks throughout a bard's career? That way a bard would never have all performance tricks and end up specializing.

An idea I had while reading this class was making something about the bards favourite instrument in a way similar to familiars. It may be inappropriate because it ignores bards focussing in pure singing, but hey, just an idea. So, perhaps a bard could tune his voice to an instrument, producing a harmonical oscillation that works over distance, so he could use his instrument a kind of a remote tremorsense (if he leaves it somewhere). Or he may spend some of his essence (skills from a performance skill or crafting one of his skill focus feats into it?) in his instrument? That way of course a dickish DM could twit the player but hey, the idea worked for Sauron most of the time...
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Post by MGuy »

I remember this thread! I dug deep into the archives to find this one a while a go. I'm modeling the bards in my own project to emulate this one. Its a good start on the concept IMO.
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Hmm.... anyone playtested this?
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