Pokemasters

[Fuzzy_logic]

What would it take to make Frank's Pokemaster class viable in a Tome game?

Feats like Sniper and Hunter benefit them quite a bit, and they are sort of like wizards in tht they can dumpster dive for abilities and do all kinds of wacky noncombat stuff.

That said, while they CAN do all kinds of wacky stuff with access to the right demons, angels, etc., that's far from guaranteed. And I still don't know if it stacks up against a Conjurer wizard or a Beguiler.

PS -- I can't find Trollman's Bard fix... I seem to recall there being one...

[CalibronXXX]

Bard that doesn't Suck.

[Catharz]

The pokemaster is viable as-is.

[Username17]

For most of the Pokemaster's life, he has got a monster running around which is individually slightly weaker than the monsters he is fighting. Once yo factor in that he can support that monster somewhat and swap it out for one which is a better tactical matchup for his enemies - the Pokemaster actually scales to opposition better than any other class.

-Username17

[MrWaeseL]

You guys sure like Pokémon.

[the_taken]

They're cute and kickable.

[Fuzzy_logic]

1194250278[/unixtime]]For most of the Pokemaster's life, he has got a monster running around which is individually slightly weaker than the monsters he is fighting. Once yo factor in that he can support that monster somewhat and swap it out for one which is a better tactical matchup for his enemies - the Pokemaster actually scales to opposition better than any other class.
-Username17

I get that this is the theory -- but don't well-played wizards and fighters have abilities that let them transcend the CR scale? You've said before that a 14th level wizard can, with preparation, kill anything in the game. Fighters are more modest, but their foil abilities scale to the opposition and they have item creation as a path to real ultimate power.

I know there are a number of abusive tricks out there for pokemasters, but can they really stack up with a spellcaster who exploits the system?

[CalibronXXX]

You don't want that kind of power; a spellcaster that exploits the system breaks the game into tiny little pieces.

What you want is a class that beats equal CR opponents 45 to 60 percent of the time.

[Bigode]

Frank: what about the "no CR limit" ability? Isn't it broken by definition?

[Prak]

Has anyone noticed that no one in the pokemon world does their own shit? They have pokemon to do it... I noticed this playing pearl today, they have pokemon to move their shit, cook their food, tale care of their children... I mean jeez, do they have pokemon to fap for them to? It kinda makes me never want to play in a pokemon based P&P RPG knowing that the quality of my food could easily depend on whether the hitmonchan cook had a bad run in with a fucking sparrow that day...

[Surgo]

I think it makes it sort of interesting. Everyone has become _so dependent_...the PCs are the only ones who can actually do things for themselves anymore.

I don't remember it being that bad in Red/Blue.

[the_taken]

1194836668[/unixtime]]I think it makes it sort of interesting. Everyone has become _so dependent_...the PCs are the only ones who can actually do things for themselves anymore.

I don't remember it being that bad in Red/Blue.

In R/BG/Y the only things you needed from your PkMn was lights, moving heavy objects, swimming, cutting down plants and flying. Well, that's actually everything, but that's only because of the limits of the GB.

It's a wonder there are any bikes or boats at all when you can just train the monsters to carry you. Apparently it's easier to give a mouse a surf board and have it carry you across the English Channel than it is to make a canoe or just swim.

[Username17]

1194386645[/unixtime]]Frank: what about the "no CR limit" ability? Isn't it broken by definition?

That's an interesting question. Actually it comes at the point where the game has gone into "crazy town". At the higher levels a character can kill basically anything with sufficient preparation. There is no real reason to believe that your enemies will conform to any particular CR structure, and the listed CRs of enemies just don't align themselves in any meaningful fashion to their relative difficulty. Are you seriously more afraid of an Adamantine Golem than you are of ChixiMec? I'm not.

So basically at the level you're dealing with that stuff, the Pokemaster throws his hands up in the air and is able to control "whatever happens to be appropriate to the campaign" rather than any particular CR level.

Sad, but that's pretty much what you have to do at the point when your sub-epic party is fighting Great Wyrm Dragons and winning anyway.

-Username17

[Bigode]

Sad but true: a good part of why I never cared about monsters. Still, thanks, and is there anything else I should watch out if I intend to rule out venturing into Crazy Town (since I intend to take parts of it for making other class)?

[Koumei]

1194832402[/unixtime]]I mean jeez, do they have pokemon to fap for them to?

Tentacool

[Voss]

Sex slaves were the one thing the slave-based economy of PokeWorld was missing originally. They solved that later, however, either in one of the movies or later shows, with pokemon that could transform (or appear to transform) into humans. Not to mention the high-powered ones that essentially grant wishes.

Though thinking about it, they clearly have clone-slaves for that industry. Specializing in uniform fetishes, for some odd reason...

[Draco_Argentum]

Judging by the amount of pokemon porn the transforming bit isn't required.

[Username17]

Also, the Joy family just has extremely dominant genes. We've actually met the various fathers that Nurse Joys have had and they are different. However, their mothers were all Nurse Joys. The Nurse Joys we encounter in Pokemon are all first and second cousins. And they aren't all nurses, a few of them are scientists and secret agents and stuff.

If you marry a Nurse Joy you are accepting that your children will probably be girls. They will have pink hair and your wife will insist on naming them Joy. But there are families involved, and Nurse Joys reproduce sexually, and they aren't all exactly the same.

-Username17

[Koumei]

That'd be awkward, with your daughters growing up looking almost identical to your wife. And, for that matter, all of her sisters looking very similar, and her mother...

Sure, they'd look different enough to not be identical and there would not likely be any cases of "Oops... you're not Joy, are you? I mean, you're not the Joy I married.", but still, seeing all of them and just thinking about the fact that they're very similar to your Joy...

The same would go for Officer Jenny.

[Username17]

Joys and Jennys can indeed pass for each other quite easily. There are documented cases of cousins passing as each other with alterations as simple as swapping hats. I can even think of a case in which a Joy was mistaken for her own grand-daughter but that involved time travel.

Fucking Celebi.

-Username17

[Koumei]

You know, I read this amusing fic about a Joy who wanted to become a Digimon nurse and... oh never mind, nsfw

On a more serious note, where is the Pokemaster class located?

[Cielingcat]

1195038249[/unixtime]]You know, I read this amusing fic about a Joy who wanted to become a Digimon nurse and... oh never mind, nsfw

Why would you read that? I mean, I totally understand the attraction of erotic stories, but a digimon/pokemon crossover?

[Koumei]

1195038713[/unixtime]]
Why would you read that? I mean, I totally understand the attraction of erotic stories, but a digimon/pokemon crossover?

I was told it was funny, and it vaguely was. It didn't actually involve any Pokemon OR Digimon, for the record. But I'm not in the habit of reading fanfiction for either of the two, erotic or otherwise.

...Firefox recognises Digimon as a word, but not Pokemon (or anything similar, so it's not the accent on the e).

[Bigode]

1195038249[/unixtime]]You know, I read this amusing fic about a Joy who wanted to become a Digimon nurse and... oh never mind, nsfw

On a more serious note, where is the Pokemaster class located?

Here.

[Koumei]

Thanks!