abortion

gezenema · Post by **gezenema** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:26 am

How are you suppose to respond to abortion? When people ask abortion questions I get so angry because it is so selfish and horrible to me. I don't buy into the whole it's your body do what is best for you argument. I do judge these people and I know I shouldn't because that is wrong as well. I suppose not answering would be the most obvious solution but is it ever possible to make people realize how unfair abortion is to the little baby who can't make their own choice?

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:04 pm

Ugh. Okay, since you've made your position on the subject obvious, I will not try to convert you to my way of thinking. But in answer to your question as to how to respond:

How do you respond to anyone that does something you, personally, do not like? I don't say that to be facetious, I just think you need to take a moment to think about how you do respond when someone asks you something you might be against - plaids, oral sex techniques, meringue, whatever. Then, think about how you would want people that don't agree with whatever you do - play RPGs, attend church, vote for Barack Obama, etc. - to respond to you when you bring the subject up. Ideally, I hope, you would want them to be cordial, even if they disagree with you. You don't want someone to start yelling at you because you're a different religion, or because you drive a different car; and hopefully you're not the type that does the yelling at them either.

So, be polite. If the subject makes you uncomfortable, calmly explain that you have strong feelings on the subject and don't want to discuss it - if they continue, leave. No need to get into an argument.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:39 pm

Someone registers to this site, in all lower case name, and their first post is about Abortion and how evil it is.

I'm calling a Troll Flag

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:46 pm

It's actually been a while since we had someone register just to be a brain dead right wing troll.

-Username17

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:47 pm

I like how he included "enema" in his name. That's so thoughtful.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:30 pm

gezenema wrote:When people ask abortion questions I get so angry because it is so selfish and horrible to me.

While I don't like abortion, I've never heard a Pro Life solution that wasn't worse than what we have now. It's pure pragmatism for me.

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:44 pm

gezenema, first and foremost welcome to the den.

It's generally not very friendly to people who are pro-life.

Actually that's a major understatement.

So here is the answer to your question. You respond carefully, slowly, stating your argument as objectively as possible. The person can either accept or reject your argument, but at least you have made your case.

On the den, on the other hand, you yell, call your opponent names, dismiss his arguments, reject his sources, claim you proved him false two weeks ago (when you actually just posted something so obviously bs that your opponent choose not to even give it the dignity of a response) and laugh at how stupid your opponent is and how superior you are.

(Note you will probably see many people respond to this post with "tzor does that all the time.")

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:50 pm

Well, you do have that tendancy. Do I need to dip into the link-bucket to dredge out a couple times when you blatantly ignored people that proved you wrong?

Also:

So here is the answer to your question. You respond carefully, slowly, stating your argument as objectively as possible. The person can either accept or reject your argument, but at least you have made your case.

Key difference between tzor's advice and mine: I urge you not to seek confrontation and argument, but to respect the beliefs of others. Tzor just wants you to be a dick, because then you'll have done your duty and can feel better about yourself as they merrily wend their way to hell.

I might have extrapolated a little on that last bit, but you get the idea.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:51 pm

Can we get an ip compare with gez and tzor

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:11 pm

(Note you will probably see many people respond to this post with "tzor does that all the time.")

tzor likes to feel special, but we all do that.

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:13 pm

I am not gezenema.

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:32 pm

I never shouted at the people who came knocking on my door in college to tell me how great Hilary Clinton was (is it just me, or did she have the most vocal supporters? Bitches were at my door every damn day). I just said "I don't want to hear about it" and slammed the door, then resumed masturbating furiously.

There's no reason* to start an argument when somebody is just asking a question about something.

*The exception is if they're trying to buy an Apple product. Then you should compare the specs of whatever they're trying to buy with a similar device that is $100 cheaper. Unless you hate them, then you say "Yeah, I heard the iWhatever is really good."

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:42 pm

Pseudo Stupidity wrote:*The exception is if they're trying to buy an Apple product. Then you should compare the specs of whatever they're trying to buy with a similar device that is $100 cheaper. Unless you hate them, then you say "Yeah, I heard the iWhatever is really good."

A friend was getting a new computer for her birthday, and I did that because she asked me about my recommendation.

The answer was $1500 dollars cheaper for the same specs. Fuck Apple.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:53 pm

*nods*
sounds about right.

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:58 pm

My brother gave me an iPod Touch for Christmas, and the only reason he did was because he managed to get a good deal on it. He keeps telling me, "Don't install iTunes. Ever," and apologizing that it's Apple.

Personally, I resent the fact that Apple products resist tinkering. Apple devices don't do what you tell them to; you do what they tell you to. Hopefully, the two coincide.

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:40 pm

Maj wrote:Personally, I resent the fact that Apple products resist tinkering. Apple devices don't do what you tell them to; you do what they tell you to. Hopefully, the two coincide.

You know, I'm currently rewriting my 2011 NaNoWriMo which is based on an Apple flavored Paranoia world. Do you mind if I quote you on that?

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:13 pm

I don't mind in the least.

Red_Rob · Post by **Red_Rob** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:51 pm

Hey! Something positive came out of this thread! Who'da thunk it?

PoliteNewb · Post by **PoliteNewb** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:58 pm

gezenema wrote:How are you suppose to respond to abortion?

I don't understand the question.
When someone has one? When someone talks about them? When someone tries to make you have one?

When people ask abortion questions I get so angry because it is so selfish and horrible to me.

What in the world does that have to do with their questions? Being selfish and horrible is not really a crime, it's a value judgment. But it has no bearing on whether a question or the answer to it are right or wrong, factually speaking.
What questions do people ask you about abortion?

I don't buy into the whole it's your body do what is best for you argument.

Why?
Further...if you don't believe that you should be able to do what's best for you to your own body, how would you feel about tattoos? Drinking or drug use? Choice of medical care? Diet and exercise? Believe it or not, ALL of these issues are related.

but is it ever possible to make people realize how unfair abortion is to the little baby who can't make their own choice?

No that's not possible, because what you have just said is not an objective truth. It is an opinion. You can never "make people realize" opinions. You can argue why you hold one, and why they should hold it as well, and after consideration of the various arguments they can decide what opinion they want to hold.

It is possible to realize facts, such as "the earth is round" or "China exists". It is not possible to realize what you stated, because you have demonstrated exactly 0 proof that abortion is in any way unfair to 'the little baby' who may not even exist.

LargePrime · Post by **LargePrime** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:52 am

you say "can i haz it, cauz themz delicious!!!!"

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:20 pm

Gnosticism Is A Hoot · Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:41 pm

Thank you, Tzor.

I enjoy criticising Obama as much as the next lefty, but once in a while it's nice to be reminded of the good things he's done, too.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:11 pm

I heard some Republican bobble head talk about how under Obama the price of gas had doubled from 1.68 a gallon to 3.30 a gallon.

And my first thought was, "wait, when has it been under 2.00 in the last 6 years" and my second thought, "What about when it went up to over 4 under Bush."

fectin · Post by **fectin** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:50 pm

gezenema wrote:How are you suppose to respond to abortion? When people ask abortion questions I get so angry because it is so selfish and horrible to me. I don't buy into the whole it's your body do what is best for you argument. I do judge these people and I know I shouldn't because that is wrong as well. I suppose not answering would be the most obvious solution but is it ever possible to make people realize how unfair abortion is to the little baby who can't make their own choice?

I asked the autorantic moonbat for you:

AVM wrote:ABORTION, indeed!!! Snarl. Say no to profits and intolerance!! Say no to our GOVERNMENT of the Israelis, by the neoconservatives, and for Big Oil!!!! Um, George W. Bush caused Katrina by exploding the disabled vegans in Vancouver!! Racists!!! I reject fur and oil!!!

So, there's that.

PoliteNewb · Post by **PoliteNewb** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:08 pm

Tzor, I realize you can be a douche, but can you sblock that so it doesn't fuck up the entire thread?

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