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Nice ideas. See, as I understand the group has 2 options for finding actual runs:Orca wrote:So if the nominated person (it's just one member of the team not each, right?) doesn't get 4+ hits on cha+job finding skill then the job pays about the same as lifestyle with minimal to no allowance for bribes, medical expenses, repair costs, expended/lost materials or ammo etc. let alone a profit to improve characters with.
I suggest some form of total successes from the group rather than having just one person find all the jobs - maybe their successes add dice to the face's pool - and aim at more than one job/month being the norm or increase the payout. IME expenses are a substantial part of the payout.
Agreed. The News & Rumours section is supposed to work as "flags", where the players fill in events, themes and hooks for the GM to follow. But these are not supposed to be players personal goals and plots.Also there needs to be a section in this for players to try to advance their own goals. Purely reactive is a dull game after a while.
The idea is not for gigs being the basis of sessions, just their complications. And even then only the apropriate/interesting ones:Orion wrote: I do wonder about some of the gigs, though -- it might help if I could get a clearer idea of how "Magical Healing" could be the basis of a session.
You know, my original intention was to insert a TON more names, locations, gangs and small business, but in the end I preferred to keep everything on a single sheet for usability sake. Thinking again, though, perhaps I could carry all the color to a dedicated 3rd page (inserting a TON more as you suggests) and let the original 2 pages only to the relationship map, Crew info and Downtime mechanics. What do you think ?Once you iron out the mechanics, you could improve this by adding a third page with a dozen more roles, and random gigs for journalists, gangbangers, private investigators, underground doctors, mobsters, businessfolk, and the like.
If your group is OK with abstracting things a bit this should work. As in, you don't offer a 200 nuyen bribe to the receptionist, you just try to bribe him (as opposed to fast-talking, threatening, mind-controlling etc.) and you can't offer him more to make a difference in the chances.Silva wrote:About the expenses, how would you do it ? I dont like to micromanage and fear this could fall on this problem. On a first look, I think I would state that all expenses are covered by the Johnson automatically.
Also doable I guess. At street level your income is going to be consistently less than lifestyle+expenses with a single job or a gig so expect players to Greyhawk the corp HQ if you do it this way.Silva wrote:Alternatively, I could simply increase the pay for different "play levels". So the team base charge (which right now is the average of all members lifestyles) could be modified by the following:
Street level: +0% (in this level of play the team should be struggling to survive and pay the bills, so giving too much dont sound advisable as it would take out the importance of gigs)
Professional level: +100% (here begins the actual upgrades-oriented play)
Prime level: +200%
First you need a section where you say 'OK, downtime. What are you guys up to now? If you have nothing to do then you're catching up with family and friends.' or something to that effect.Silva wrote:Agreed. The News & Rumours section is supposed to work as "flags", where the players fill in events, themes and hooks for the GM to follow. But these are not supposed to be players personal goals and plots.
I have no idea how to implement these. What do you suggest ?
You're totally right on this. Perhaps changing "empoverished" for indebted ? This way it implies you botched the job and now must repay it somehow to the contractor, be it in favor, cash, swag, etc. What do you think ?Orion wrote:Adding pre-set complications for the gigs is a great idea, and it addresses my big question about "how is X gig relevant to play?" However, you ported some over from apocalypse world that make no sense. You're tracking actualy nuyen and lifestyle costs, you can have "impoverished" as a gig complication.
Thanks for perceiving this. How would you do it then ?Orca wrote:Re the thru fixer/by team member choice: A fixer who is taking the heat is presumably going to charge rather more than the standard 10% finder's fee. On the other hand, how often are glitches going to come up if you have a dice pool of 7+? Very, very seldom; you could run multiple game years like this and never get one. This might actually be another issue - you've got all this glitch result stuff which is never going to come up.
Yup, thats pretty much this.If your group is OK with abstracting things a bit this should work. As in, you don't offer a 200 nuyen bribe to the receptionist, you just try to bribe him (as opposed to fast-talking, threatening, mind-controlling etc.) and you can't offer him more to make a difference in the chances.
Yep, thats the dea.Also doable I guess. At street level your income is going to be consistently less than lifestyle+expenses with a single job or a gig so expect players to Greyhawk the corp HQ if you do it this way.
Ok, first things first: the assumption as described by the document is having 1 month as the base time unit. Within this you can have 1 run (or none, if ) and, optionally, an unspecified number of gigs (which may reward a maximum of you lifestlyle cost, if you roll 4 hits). I left it open to abstraction on purpose, as some players may prefer to have a gig occupying just 1 week of a given month, while other may prefer to see it as a couple hours of most days of the month.First you need a section where you say 'OK, downtime. What are you guys up to now? If you have nothing to do then you're catching up with family and friends.' or something to that effect.Silva wrote:Agreed. The News & Rumours section is supposed to work as "flags", where the players fill in events, themes and hooks for the GM to follow. But these are not supposed to be players personal goals and plots.
I have no idea how to implement these. What do you suggest ?
Second you need to know how much time is available for this. I suggest knocking a week off for each job the group takes this month, to a minimum of no time free at 4 jobs or more.
Adjudicating exactly how the players personal plans work out is too open-ended to be discussed on a quick chart like you're putting up. You could fill multiple rulebooks with this sort of thing after all.
Last, you need some sort of bone to throw those insufficiently self-motivated to have plans. I suggest a quick roll to see if they gain a point to put towards a new contact or improving the loyalty of an existing one.
... I think there should be a metric for defining "difficulty" levels. The core SR5 book cites the opposition highest dice pool. Perhaps we could use this. Ie:"Risky jobs" probably (2/3rds chance, maybe) have a complication (and if you glitch they have multiple complications) but they pay substantially more: +50-150%, perhaps. This would make them very appealing at street level, and still tempting at professional level.
Honestly, I began thinkin this way (gigs only available when you cant find jobs) but then I thought it could be more interesting if gigs are available even when you get a job, for the extra money, complications and sheer color they can bring.Orca wrote:I'd assumed that you'd look for jobs and if nothing came up you'd get exactly one try at a gig per month (which I'd further assume would take up 1/4 of the month, same as a single job; simplifying a month to 4 weeks for these purposes). If that's not how it's working you might want to clarify that.
Makes sense. What metric could be used then, to represent difficulty ?Difficulty levels aren't really related to opposition dice pools IMO. A bunch of goons in armor with longarms, grenades and a mage on astral overwatch are a serious threat, a disorganised pack of ghouls led by a physical adept is likely a lot less - even with better dice pools to claw people to bits. Then there's the way some jobs are less likely to lead to a physical confrontation (the real difficulty level IMO). Sorry, this is another place SR5 dropped the ball & yes both those examples are from gaming experience.
Not sure there's a simple way that will be very accurate, but maybe rate it on a few factors:silva wrote:The advantage of dice pools as a metric is that its simple enough. Say, during a default mission the gruup would see opposing dice pools around the same level as them, while on a "risky" job the group would know that the opposition would have, on average, highers dice pools. But as you said, its very relative in the end. Any ideas apreciated.
