An honest question

Hicks · Post by **Hicks** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:25 pm

In D&D 3.5, are targeted spells not involving an attack roll such as charm monster and spells that affect a specific number of targets within an area such as mass suggesstion subject to a miss chance when they target an opponent under the effects of blur, displacement, invisibility, or mirror image?

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:13 am

EDIT: D'oh. I was thinking of blink.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:22 am

No. But if you have full concealment you can't target the guy at all unless you can touch them. Blur does nothing, Invisibility gives you full protection unless they get into melee and make a touch attack through your concealment. PHB, page 175.

-Username17

Hicks · Post by **Hicks** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:56 am

What if they can percieve through Blindsense or the Telepathy/Mindsight combo?

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:41 am

That would be another way to defeat invisibility, yes. But the sense needs to be targeting... For instance, scent usually isn't targeting, though tremorsense is.

-Crissa

Omen of Peace · Post by **Omen of Peace** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:51 pm

Hicks wrote:What if they can percieve through Blindsense or the Telepathy/Mindsight combo?

If they're invisible, they still have total concealment so you can't target them (Tremorsense doesn't work either). Blindsight and Touchsight do work.

You could use stuff involving attack rolls (rays...), with a 50% miss chance - you'd target the square they're in.