[D&D] Recruiting: TotFIE

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:08 am

Relevant passage is this one:

Necromantic Creation Feats

Any feat with the [Necromatic] tag is a necromantic creation feat. This means that it is merely one part of the dark tradition of necromancy; other means such as necromancy spells or other effects can create these undead, but this an easy path for the serious Necromancer. One trait shared by these feats is that each feat has a separate control pool for the undead it creates. For example, if a necromancer has the Path of Blood feat and the A Feast Unknown feat, he may control up to his unmodified charisma modifier in vampires or vampire spawn in addition to controlling up to his unmodified charisma modifier in ghouls. It is a move action to give commands any one undead creature. Any undead controlled by this feat cannot create undead or use the Spawn Undead ability. The rituals are inexpensive, but require the flesh and blood of intelligent creatures as well as living creatures or fresh corpses as subjects. Any additional costs or conditions are listed in the individual feat. These rites take 1 hour per CR of the creature created, and can only be performed at night or in a location that has never been touched by the sun (such as a deep cave). The maximum CR of an undead creature created with these rites is two less than the creator’s character level. Materials to create any undead always cost at least 25 gp per hit die. Creating undead by these method generally requires at least an hour.

E: I would personally like some advisement about A Feast Unknown. Your average human being is on the order of 150lbs. How many of those pounds do you have to eat before it counts as "completely consuming the flesh" for the purposes of the feat? And about how long wound that take?

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:56 am

Derp. I guess I wasn't as thorough with ctrl+f as I should have been. That'll teach me to skim. Makes sense though, thanks.

Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:59 am

deanruel87 wrote:By the transitive property that makes me FIRST alternate Dean! Sweet sweet promotion. This is like coming in 4th at the Olympics, I can almost touch the dais from here.

And likewise there are now only two computers I have to sabotage to get myself in. I'm really fighting the urge to just go ahead and read the before/after/analysis things right now.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:27 am

Regarding hitpoint totals: Would you prefer we just roll or can we go with the arithmetic mean? If the latter, round up or down? And yes, I know I'm a pain in the ass.

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:36 am

I'm not sure how much detail you guys are going Into to stat up your undead but since your putting in the work I guess ill post the stats of my war horse when I can

Foxwarrior · Post by **Foxwarrior** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:36 am

If you're taking the average, you should really round after adding all the levels together.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:13 am

Whipstitch wrote:Regarding hitpoint totals: Would you prefer we just roll or can we go with the arithmetic mean? If the latter, round up or down? And yes, I know I'm a pain in the ass.

Rolling is better. Also more hilarious.

Grek wrote:I would personally like some advisement about A Feast Unknown. Your average human being is on the order of 150lbs. How many of those pounds do you have to eat before it counts as "completely consuming the flesh" for the purposes of the feat? And about how long wound that take?

Assume that eating roughly half the weight is enough "flesh" to be considered "complete". There are also skin and bones and I don't want to get into an argument about which organs are flesh or not. It's totally OK for some things to drip on the floor and whatever. The fifty percent mark ensures that only one character can get that benefit from any corpse (since the other half would contain things that aren't flesh).

And yeah, eating 75 pounds is going to take a while.

Prak wrote:It gives no spell level, and I have no clue at this point who wrote that part or where it comes from.

There is no clear guidelines for what spells are acceptable as a minor magic item. There are many guidelines for what spells are not. Any spell that runs a material component cost every time it is cast or has a really short duration or provides a bonus that is basically the same as a numeric magic item but bigger (at least at certain levels) is probably right out. So...

Prak wrote:Would a Cloak which allows you to cast Mage Armour at CL5 work better? Instead of the Ring of Summon Monster 3, how about just a Ring of Charisma enhancement?

...a Ring of Charisma Enhancement would be fine, while a Ring of Eagle's Splendor would not. A Cloak of Mage Armor is pushing it, but that seems pretty similar to a regular set of magical armor so I'd allow it.

The Player Characters:

Drovak No-Face, Aasimar Druid by Avoraciopoctules

Hocus Runescmitt, Drow Elementalist by Flare 22

Alexander Snapfuse, Gnome Assassin by Grek

John Bolton, Human Cloistered Cleric by Omegonthesane

Thane, Half Orc Warlock by Prak Anima

Silas, Feytouched Dread Necromancer by Whipstitch

If I have all the characters, I'm happy to start soon.

-Username17

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:21 am

FrankTrollman wrote:
Prak wrote:It gives no spell level, and I have no clue at this point who wrote that part or where it comes from.
There is no clear guidelines for what spells are acceptable as a minor magic item. There are many guidelines for what spells are not. Any spell that runs a material component cost every time it is cast or has a really short duration or provides a bonus that is basically the same as a numeric magic item but bigger (at least at certain levels) is probably right out. So...
Prak wrote:Would a Cloak which allows you to cast Mage Armour at CL5 work better? Instead of the Ring of Summon Monster 3, how about just a Ring of Charisma enhancement?
...a Ring of Charisma Enhancement would be fine, while a Ring of Eagle's Splendor would not. A Cloak of Mage Armor is pushing it, but that seems pretty similar to a regular set of magical armor so I'd allow it.

Yeah, I see that now. And I realized after posting that Mage Armour might still be pushing it, but this works.

Omegonthesane · Post by **Omegonthesane** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:26 am

How are rolls being done? Since I suspect there are Knowledge checks in John's immediate future.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:32 am

Omegonthesane wrote:How are rolls being done? Since I suspect there are Knowledge checks in John's immediate future.

You can either roll a physical d20 and report the results in brackets (ex.:[12]), or you can put in a link to some online roller that you trust with your character's life.

-Username17

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:31 pm

FrankTrollman wrote: Rolling is better. Also more hilarious.

Replaced the placeholder hitpoint total I had been using then. I've got a pathological fear of dice, but I have to admit that the more hilarious bit is true, or at least, it' true for other people. I'm on anxiety meds and have the worst poker face in the history of mankind, so my reactions went something like this:

Roll 1: A six. "Nice."
Roll 2: Another six. "People will think I cheat, oh god, oh god, oh god."
Roll 3: A 1. "I take it back, dice, I don't care if they think I cheat."
Roll 4: Yet another six. "Oh, god, cheating."

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:40 pm

Let's talk about knowledge skill DCs.

In general, the DC to get the Before, After, or Analysis for any country is 15 (no take 10, no take 20). Specials are as follows:

Thorigram has very available histories, and the "before" DC on Thorigram is only 12.
Sweland is insular and doesn't get information out, the Before and After DC are both 18 (the Analysis DC is still 15).
Zundun's banking crisis is very complicated, and the Analysis DC is 20.

-Username17

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:09 pm

How did this game manage to get started without a Cock Hurler in the party?

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:13 pm

Shush, don't jinx it, we still might run into one.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:07 pm

I'm gonna adjust my expense sliders a bit. 2 zombies, with longspears, leather armor, probably slings and javelins. I have 500 GP earmarked for investment.

What is everyone else capable of dropping into a business?

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:10 pm

Oh, and one more thing. We have a Dread Necro with level 2 spells, right? Does that mean our downtime-created undead have extra HP from Desecrate?

I'll pay for the silver dust.

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:18 pm

I've got 900$ earmarked for money making schemes.

@Frank: Has the Hot Air Balloon been invented in this setting yet? Because wood, silk and kerosene screams to me, "Create an air shipping industry"

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:22 pm

For investing and entertaining, I've got:
1 bar platinum (500g)
3 bars gold (150g)
3 Bottles [high quality wine] (90g)

along with 160g worth of various currency.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:41 pm

Grek wrote:@Frank: Has the Hot Air Balloon been invented in this setting yet? Because wood, silk and kerosene screams to me, "Create an air shipping industry"

Ooh, I could reuse some of my material from Gilded Throne. Might be pretty cool.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:59 pm

I think there are likely better ways to establish an air shipping industry. Even if those ways are "Step 1: train Korbahlian workers in Gryphon Husbandry..."

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:12 pm

Hey, Airship projects should consume prodigious amounts of local resources. A spike in demand would certainly help out local companies.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:48 pm

Okay, for a unit creation cost of 182.5 GP each, plus one desecrate per batch, we have a Stage 1 No-Face Zombie Mook.

Size/Type: Medium Undead
Hit Dice: 6d12+3+12 (54 hp)
Initiative: +0
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares; can’t run)
Armor Class: 16 (+5 natural, +2(halved) leather armor), touch 10, flat-footed 16
Base Attack/Grapple: +3/+6
Attack: Longspear +6 melee (1d8+4) or slam +6 melee (1d6+3) or javelin +3 ranged (1d6+2)
Full Attack: Longspear +6 melee (1d8+4) or slam +6 melee (1d6+3) or javelin +3 ranged (1d6+2)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: thrown oil flask
Special Qualities: Single actions only, damage reduction 5/slashing, darkvision 60 ft., undead traits, Desecrate HP bonus
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +5
Abilities: Str 17, Dex 10, Con Ø, Int Ø, Wis 10, Cha 1
Skills: —
Feats: Toughness
Equipment: Leather Armor, Longspear, 3 Javelins, 20 oil flasks, cloth veil.
Challenge Rating: 2

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:25 am

Grek wrote:Has the Hot Air Balloon been invented in this setting yet?

Balloons exist, but they are used by Gnomes to observe things from a higher vantage point. Since they aren't controlled, they are generally tethered to the ground with very long rope.

-Username17

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:00 am

Avoraciopoctules wrote:Oh, and one more thing. We have a Dread Necro with level 2 spells, right? Does that mean our downtime-created undead have extra HP from Desecrate?

Believe it or not, Dread Necromancers do not actually have desecrate on their lists, nor are they capable of picking it up with their Advanced Learning class feature alone. Presumably this is because having desecrate would make Dread Necromancers very happy, which would interfere with James Wyatt drinking the sweet milk of their tears. On the bright side, we do have a cleric so in the future at least we can work around that issue.

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:56 am

I've got around 800 gp in. varius trade goods to contribute I've got coins as well as silk spices alchohol and a few gems