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Well, Eclipse Phase posits a lot of weird and highly divergent future societies in different parts of the solar system. Scandinavian Space-Communism, Barsoomian techno-fascism, Venusian hyper-corporate oligopic oligarchy, and so on. The pontification of what those future economic and social systems are like is not particularly in-depth or well thought out, but the focus of the game is supposed to be playing Stormwatch and fighting existential threats. So the futuristic societies are just a back drop to be interacted with as much or as little as you want. And the relative goodness of each of the systems is supposed to be left purposefully up in the air so as to allow fans of different economic and political philosophies to declare their favorite systems to be the best.Laertes wrote:Anarcho-capitalism isn't my scene, and glibertarians aggravate me. If you're going to quote Hayek, at least read him.What do you mean specifically ? Care to elaborate ?
So, to rephrase, all the interesting parts of science fiction are merely an ill-thought-out backdrop to the true task of killing orcs? Ugh.Frank Trollman wrote:Well, Eclipse Phase posits a lot of weird and highly divergent future societies in different parts of the solar system. Scandinavian Space-Communism, Barsoomian techno-fascism, Venusian hyper-corporate oligopic oligarchy, and so on. The pontification of what those future economic and social systems are like is not particularly in-depth or well thought out, but the focus of the game is supposed to be playing Stormwatch and fighting existential threats. So the futuristic societies are just a back drop to be interacted with as much or as little as you want. And the relative goodness of each of the systems is supposed to be left purposefully up in the air so as to allow fans of different economic and political philosophies to declare their favorite systems to be the best.
My problem with it is demographics and time frame. Because what they actually did was to have a super duper majority of people be recently displaced people from Earth. Which means that your Scandinavian space commune isn't even a plurality on the moon it supposedly owns. So all of those experimental future societies actually don't mean shit - the only socially important force anywhere is the Earth Refugee Authority.
Not exactly, no. The true task is supposed to be investigating doomsday cultists or stopping the spread of memetic plagues or uncovering nanite conspiracies and shit. It's a combat light, investigation heavy game where people die a lot and get respawned from old memory forks. It's very explicitly Call of Cthulhu meets Paranoia in space. Orc fighting doesn't really enter into it.Laertes wrote:
So, to rephrase, all the interesting parts of science fiction are merely an ill-thought-out backdrop to the true task of killing orcs? Ugh.
Examining my own reactions to this is interesting: I am turned off more by bad worldbuilding than by bad politics. Which is weird because bad politics hurts actual people and bad worldbuilding only hurts your readers.
This single line has me more interested in Eclipse Phase than anything else I've read about it. I am simple folk.FrankTrollman wrote: It's very explicitly Call of Cthulhu meets Paranoia in space.
Except its also Stargate and Aliens and X-Files and Terminator and Matrix and Total Recall and... well, you got it. Its an absurd mish-mash of tropes of all types and flavors resulting in a convoluted setting in a convoluted system. The only neat thing about it is the concept of resleeving, but its so awful in practice I dont think it redeems the whole mess that is the rest of the game.It's very explicitly Call of Cthulhu meets Paranoia in space.
What are you talking about here? The game is licensed under Creative Commons and you can literally download the latest version from their website for free. In fact, the lead designer just posted on his blog that he'd updated all the links for people to do just that. Those links include updating the core rulebook to the 4th printing, which is the most recent. It also includes the book...and some of the stretch goals...that were written as a result of their recent Kickstarter.DEBO wrote:Question: Is the version of the game that got dumped online for free, ages ago when they thought they were going out of business, significantly different to the game now?
Seeing that your opinion about the game on your review thread is so similar to mine, so it must mean we both are idiots, liars and trolls , right ?FrankTrollman wrote:Also, it's imperative that you ignore every single thing that silva says on this or any other subject because he's an idiot, a liar, and a troll.
That isn't at all a logical or rational conclusion to make.silva wrote:Seeing that your opinion about the game on your review thread is so similar to mine, so it must mean we both are idiots, liars and trolls , right ?FrankTrollman wrote:Also, it's imperative that you ignore every single thing that silva says on this or any other subject because he's an idiot, a liar, and a troll.
No. If you can't trust what someone says, that doesn't mean the opposite is always true.silva wrote:Seeing that your opinion about the game on your review thread is so similar to mine, so it must mean we both are idiots, liars and trolls , right ?FrankTrollman wrote:Also, it's imperative that you ignore every single thing that silva says on this or any other subject because he's an idiot, a liar, and a troll.
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I was under the impression that back in 2012 sometime PostHuman shut down and put everything online for free (as that is what I was told by the person who sent me the links to download it) and that the kickstarter represented a reopening/rerelease. I didn't realise it was creative commons, my mistake. Apologies for the confusion, and thanks for the clarification.JesterZero wrote: What are you talking about here?
Thanks. Your review being for the version I have works out well.FrankTrollman wrote:The answer to your perhaps more integral question is whether the system is substantively changed from what it was when I did my review, and the answer is apparently "yes." Also, it's imperative that you ignore every single thing that silva says on this or any other subject because he's an idiot, a liar, and a troll.
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You should have seen how some on /tg/ reacted to it - it was embarrassing.codeGlaze wrote:Gotta say, that post they made against the MRA fans was pretty well stated.
