[Non-US] News That Makes You laugh/cry/neither...

Mundane & Pointless Stuff I Must Share: The Off Topic Forum

Moderator: Moderators

User avatar
Kaelik
ArchDemon of Rage
Posts: 14838
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

Post by Kaelik »

ishy wrote:Paypal money?
You make it sound like some exclusive club.
It takes like 2 minutes to set up a paypal account and transfer some money from your bank account.

I did own a credit card in the past, but since I never used it for anything except amazon (and amazon uk did away with free shipping), I didn't really see the point in owning one.

If I want to buy something online, I can just wire some money from my bank, which unlike using a credit card or paypal doesn't have any transaction fees.
Credit Cards also don't have transaction fees. (For you.)
Last edited by Kaelik on Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?
The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.

That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.
User avatar
Stahlseele
King
Posts: 5977
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:51 pm
Location: Hamburg, Germany

Post by Stahlseele »

Paypal does not accept my attempts at creating an account.
They wire me a smallish ammount of money and then ask me to tell them how much it was to make sure it's the correct bank account and then they don't accept the numbers i tell them.
Welcome, to IronHell.
Shrapnel wrote:
TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
ishy
Duke
Posts: 2404
Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:59 pm

Post by ishy »

Kaelik wrote:Credit Cards also don't have transaction fees. (For you.)
But I do have to pay a surcharge (to cover for the transaction fees).
Last edited by ishy on Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:43 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Gary Gygax wrote:The player’s path to role-playing mastery begins with a thorough understanding of the rules of the game
Bigode wrote:I wouldn't normally make that blanket of a suggestion, but you seem to deserve it: scroll through the entire forum, read anything that looks interesting in term of design experience, then come back.
violence in the media
Duke
Posts: 1725
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:18 pm

Post by violence in the media »

ishy wrote:
Kaelik wrote:Credit Cards also don't have transaction fees. (For you.)
But I do have to pay a surcharge (to cover for the transaction fees).
The merchant agreements with VISA, etc. don't prohibit that sort of behavior in the UK? I've always been told that you (as a merchant) can be penalized by the card companies for that here in the US. Dunno how some rural gas stations get away with the different prices for cash/credit though.
fectin
Prince
Posts: 3760
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:54 am

Post by fectin »

It's by contract with your payment processor. Some places have made that clause illegal/non-binding. In the US, you can add surcharges because of How a class-action lawsuit settled (http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/ ... chants.pdf), which is a recent development.
Vebyast wrote:Here's a fun target for Major Creation: hydrazine. One casting every six seconds at CL9 gives you a bit more than 40 liters per second, which is comparable to the flow rates of some small, but serious, rocket engines. Six items running at full blast through a well-engineered engine will put you, and something like 50 tons of cargo, into space. Alternatively, if you thrust sideways, you will briefly be a fireball screaming across the sky at mach 14 before you melt from atmospheric friction.
hyzmarca
Prince
Posts: 3909
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:07 pm

Post by hyzmarca »

Stahlseele wrote:Paypal does not accept my attempts at creating an account.
They wire me a smallish ammount of money and then ask me to tell them how much it was to make sure it's the correct bank account and then they don't accept the numbers i tell them.
Are you sure they're in the right order?

I've never had a problem with that. Well actualy one small problem. My bank listed the two together as a single credit when they added the money to my account, so I had to carefully check the records to find the right amounts.

Also, they don't wire, they use the Automated Clearing House. There's an important distinction. Wire transfers are instant, but expensive. Often both sending and recieving banks will charge around 10 to 25 dollars for a wire transfer, so you're losing 20-50 dollars on every wire transfer, as opposed to the ACH which is both slower and free.

Yeah, I didn't know the difference either until recently.
Last edited by hyzmarca on Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:59 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
Stahlseele
King
Posts: 5977
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:51 pm
Location: Hamburg, Germany

Post by Stahlseele »

There was only one ammount sent my way as far as i remember. It's been more than 2 years by now and every time i try to register an account nowadays it still asks for that ammount because they remember my bank account from back then still . . even though i never really propperly registered with them, they still did not delete my data . .

And i am german, i always used "wiring money" as the translation für "Geld überweisen". Never knew it was technically wrong.
Welcome, to IronHell.
Shrapnel wrote:
TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
Orca
Knight-Baron
Posts: 877
Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:31 am

Post by Orca »

Stahlseele wrote:Paypal does not accept my attempts at creating an account.
They wire me a smallish ammount of money and then ask me to tell them how much it was to make sure it's the correct bank account and then they don't accept the numbers i tell them.
IIRC numbers in german sometimes use a comma for the decimal point, while in english it's always a full stop. €1.34 vs. €1,34 for example. If you're using a comma maybe it's worth trying a full stop?
User avatar
Stahlseele
King
Posts: 5977
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:51 pm
Location: Hamburg, Germany

Post by Stahlseele »

That is actually something that never occured to me i have to admit . .
Welcome, to IronHell.
Shrapnel wrote:
TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
hyzmarca
Prince
Posts: 3909
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:07 pm

Post by hyzmarca »

Stahlseele wrote:There was only one ammount sent my way as far as i remember. It's been more than 2 years by now and every time i try to register an account nowadays it still asks for that ammount because they remember my bank account from back then still . . even though i never really propperly registered with them, they still did not delete my data . .
Yeah, that's the problem. They will have, in fact, sent two ACH transfers to your account. Your bank might have credited them together as a single item on your statement, like mine did. In which case you'd need to go over your statement from that period and look for the names of the transfers, since the amount should be in the name.

Paypal should ask you for two numbers. If they only ask for one disregard that advice.

Otherwise, you might consider calling their customer service number. If you can't go over your old statements then they can probably resend.

Of course, these days they also have instant verification where you give them the username password to your online banking account and they log in once to make sure that its really yours then discard the data.

And i am german, i always used "wiring money" as the translation für "Geld überweisen". Never knew it was technically wrong.
Yeah. Wire transfer is done directly between the two banks. They actually have to call each other and set it up. It requires human intervention on both ends and they charge for it. But its instant. ACH transfer uses an automated system shared by the banks. It doesn't require any coordination between them, but it does take longer.
Last edited by hyzmarca on Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Grek
Prince
Posts: 3114
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:37 pm

Post by Grek »

hyzmarca wrote:Of course, these days they also have instant verification where you give them the username password to your online banking account and they log in once to make sure that its really yours then discard the data.
This seems like a hilariously bad idea.
Chamomile wrote:Grek is a national treasure.
rampaging-poet
Knight
Posts: 473
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:18 am

Post by rampaging-poet »

It's also against most banks' terms of service for their online banking. There's pretty much always a "never give out your password" clause so they can say it's your fault if your ex logs on to your account and steals all your money. It's the same as the "never use an easily-guessed PIN" on credit cards - I saw a report about a man in my province who might never get the money his ex spent on his credit card back because the PIN was the same as his debit PIN and she knew the debit PIN.
DSMatticus wrote:I sort my leisure activities into a neat and manageable categorized hierarchy, then ignore it and dick around on the internet.
My deviantArt account, in case anyone cares.
User avatar
Maj
Prince
Posts: 4705
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
Location: Shelton, Washington, USA

Post by Maj »

You don't give Paypal your password. You log into your bank account through paypal, much like you log into paypal through other websites.
My son makes me laugh. Maybe he'll make you laugh, too.
User avatar
Kaelik
ArchDemon of Rage
Posts: 14838
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

Post by Kaelik »

ishy wrote:
Kaelik wrote:Credit Cards also don't have transaction fees. (For you.)
But I do have to pay a surcharge (to cover for the transaction fees).
Then you live in a third world shithole that fucks over consumers, and you should focus on not doing that before you make decisions about how you pay for things.
DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?
The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.

That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.
fectin
Prince
Posts: 3760
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:54 am

Post by fectin »

Kaelik wrote:
ishy wrote:
Kaelik wrote:Credit Cards also don't have transaction fees. (For you.)
But I do have to pay a surcharge (to cover for the transaction fees).
Then you live in a third world shithole that fucks over consumers, and you should focus on not doing that before you make decisions about how you pay for things.
You have to pay a surcharge either way. The only question is whether you can avoid it by paying cash.
Vebyast wrote:Here's a fun target for Major Creation: hydrazine. One casting every six seconds at CL9 gives you a bit more than 40 liters per second, which is comparable to the flow rates of some small, but serious, rocket engines. Six items running at full blast through a well-engineered engine will put you, and something like 50 tons of cargo, into space. Alternatively, if you thrust sideways, you will briefly be a fireball screaming across the sky at mach 14 before you melt from atmospheric friction.
User avatar
Kaelik
ArchDemon of Rage
Posts: 14838
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

Post by Kaelik »

fectin wrote:
Kaelik wrote:
ishy wrote:But I do have to pay a surcharge (to cover for the transaction fees).
Then you live in a third world shithole that fucks over consumers, and you should focus on not doing that before you make decisions about how you pay for things.
You have to pay a surcharge either way. The only question is whether you can avoid it by paying cash.
Uh... No.

It isn't a surcharge if it is included in the price. That is kinda the fucking point of having a word "surcharge" at the point you are talking about, you might as well just talk about those surcharges you pay for employee wages.
DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?
The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.

That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.
User avatar
Longes
Prince
Posts: 2867
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:02 pm

Post by Longes »

User avatar
Longes
Prince
Posts: 2867
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:02 pm

Post by Longes »

Koumei
Serious Badass
Posts: 13882
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
Location: South Ausfailia

Post by Koumei »

Yeah. Bringing back slavery of the natives (as part of a general slavery of the poor thing). This is the same government that did the "Hey kid, now we have you locked up here to be tortured... why don't you give this guy a call and ask him to give into our demands?" thing recently.
Count Arioch the 28th wrote:There is NOTHING better than lesbians. Lesbians make everything better.
PhoneLobster
King
Posts: 6403
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

Post by PhoneLobster »

Longes wrote:Australia never stops amazing me
Oh that. The re-introduction of slavery thing?

Yeah, that's not that big a deal really. And a large part of the reason they are targetting aboriginals is they lost the battle on trying to pull the whole "anything other than constant slave labor and starvation is a moral threat to unemployed people!" on everyone that the Australian public actually cares about.

We fucking INVADED and OCCUPIED aboriginal settlements with the fucking military, oh, gosh, fucking years ago as a god damn political stunt when kicking the guts in on refugees was losing political mileage. And it didn't work as a stunt, less because it was evil and stupid and more because no one in white Australia fucking cared.

Mean while we are quietly overseeing a massive nation wide government sponsored "lost generation" far bigger than the somwhat officially recognized one with the government seizing Aboriginal children from their families in ludicrous numbers. To the point that I can't remember was it 200 times? The amount of money in the NT was being spent on seizing black children "because poverty" than was being spent on "less poverty". To the point that an aboriginal mother can get fucking multiple court orders declaring her a fit parent only to have the fucking authorities turn up for a "routine investigation" and for the unexplained local police they bring with them to take said mother aside and say "run for it, they brought us here to take your kids for no reason" (spoiler, story ends with her kids taken).

Mean while our borderline genocide of Aboriginals has stepped up far more in other areas. We are seriously up and shutting down and expelling the residents of somewhere between 150 to 250 remote Aboriginal communities, because hey unlike remote white settlements (that get better government services anyway) we apparently can and will declare black settlements a "waste of money" with NO regard to any sort of rights as citizens to basic services we will simply shut down all their services AND then we are going to fucking forcibly expel them from the land they own after that. Is there even a plan for where all those people are going to go? No. There is literally NO plan for that. There is no room for them in the cities, they are basically going straight to starving on the streets. How do we know, oh because we've ALREADY gone and done the fucking pilot project and flat out stole the land off a couple of remote aboriginal communities already just recently.

So yeah. The whole "fuck it, slavery for the dole" thing is ultimately just the icing on the cake of the batshit racist apartheid thing we have going here.
Phonelobster's Self Proclaimed Greatest Hits Collection : (no really, they are awesome)
Koumei
Serious Badass
Posts: 13882
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
Location: South Ausfailia

Post by Koumei »

Essentially, if the PM manages to anger Putin enough that every last inch of our country is nuked flat, it will be an improvement on current conditions. For the actual people residing here, that is. Admittedly if anyone can do that, it's him, so there is hope.
Count Arioch the 28th wrote:There is NOTHING better than lesbians. Lesbians make everything better.
User avatar
Longes
Prince
Posts: 2867
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:02 pm

Post by Longes »

Lago PARANOIA
Invincible Overlord
Posts: 10555
Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:00 am

Post by Lago PARANOIA »

Okay, I gotta ask: is Cameron TRYING to go down in history as the worst PM in UK history?
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.

In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
Omegonthesane
Prince
Posts: 3697
Joined: Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:55 pm

Post by Omegonthesane »

Lago PARANOIA wrote:Okay, I gotta ask: is Cameron TRYING to go down in history as the worst PM in UK history?
Is this in reference to a specific new development, or just that Cameron and his cabal are ideologically committed to a theory that doesn't work?
Kaelik wrote:Because powerful men get away with terrible shit, and even the public domain ones get ignored, and then, when the floodgates open, it turns out there was a goddam flood behind it.

Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath, Justin Bieber, shitmuffin
Lago PARANOIA
Invincible Overlord
Posts: 10555
Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:00 am

Post by Lago PARANOIA »

This was prompted by the UK porn restrictions, but it's especially conspicuous in conjunction with the Scotland independence vote not too many months ago.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.

In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
Post Reply