Prak_Anima wrote:I'm going to regret this...
Shadzar, why do you hate fun? Wait, no- better question, why do you play games if you hate fun?
Thundar was a barbarian and his Sun Sword would ctually be pretty fucking cool!, but the wookie-wanna-be Ookla the Mook, not so much fun in D&D...
That aside, I find it funny you mention something liek this. I feel you are one of the poster in a current WotC forum about "what official rights the players have".
some more backstory if you will as part answer...
one time a friend who had NEVER before DMed but thought he had what it takes decided he knew enough from CRPGs like Parasite Eve and whatever else the N64 had, to take a Baulder Gate video game and turn it into an adventure. Well the time came where an EVENT in the game should have happened, but he found D&D wasnt Final Fantasy and there was no forest the PCs were going to run into to level grind, so he just tossed out 1k XP for stupid shit just to get people to the correct level for the next part of the game.
right then and there i packed up and left. level grind in a video game is not something that belong in a TTRPG. i get why it has always been in video games and what purpose it serve due to their confines, but for a TTRPG, the adventure doesn't stop because the DM doesn't want to make something to fill in the gaps, nor does forcing some level-grind or nonsense like above fit. SoD is instantly ruined as well as interest. i had NO control over my character at that point and the DM was jsut deciding what happened next without input. this isnt a case of makign the game work, just sucking as a DM.
now what does this have to do with item wishlists? the exact same thing. first my goal in playing is i enjoy the game. what is fun to me is not making a
christmas tree character with a bunch of shinies, but PLAYING THE GAME. TAKING PART IN THE ADVENTURE. when my ability to take part in the adventure is removed by a DM railroad then the fun ends.
in the aforementioned thread about players rights many things were brought up and we have seen such before about the DM "owing" the players something like Fuchs magical rapier for his stupidly narrow character concept. I don't go into a game doing what people in the WotC thread do. I go to play the game, not my own personal Drizzt-clone or Aragorn-clone or whatever. for 3.5 I played a paladin as a sit-in player for someone's character.. broke his lance and left it behind. a minotaur for a seat filler to have enough people for a game to even happen, and the stores big open in which i played the known Githzerai monk (psy abilities functioned as spell-like abilities or if you will "encounter powers" from 4th and didnt use the psionics rules), and for a few minuts i played a Giff. i dont like 3.x at all, so why would i play THOSE types of characters? it surely wasnt out of want. I played them to fill a seat. i played them the best the could be played with my knowledge of 3.5. but i will say i had NO fun at all with the system.
you "fun" and reason for playing like wanting to paly your pet-race/class that you have been jizzing to play and thus Fuchs wanting his special snowflake magical rapier, and things such as item-wishlsits is NOT the same thing other people want, and actually detracts from their fun.
like i said in the "D&D is dead", the idea has moved form playing the game, to the game being character creation for the purpose of being able to tell your mini-movella about your character. collecting
christmas tree ornaments item wishlists is this exact same thing. mostly i blame video games for breeding this into people because you MUST collect and upgrade your Buster Sword, or obtain the Silver Arrow and Master's Sword in order to beat Gannon. D&D didnt' ahve those limitations until they were made that way. "can only be damaged by magical
OR SILVER weapons".
the game shouldnt force people to
cosplay and act as O' Tannenbaum in your elementary school Christmas pageant collect
Pokemon magic items in order to be able to play longer than a single session. it should allow for those people to play that way, but shouldn't force everyone to adopt such stupidity.