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EDIT: Seriously though, I don't care, so don't feel compelled to tell me.
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Oh I'm sorry so if you're so disinterested and uninvolved in this forum then why are you declaring yourself to be a defender of the community against this meanie whiner you hate so much?owlassociate wrote:a bunch of baseless shit about someone that's made 35 posts on this site and joined a year ago
On that note, I'll just say that K is technically still around and based on what I heard he actually did the lion's share of the work in the Tome series. Yet he pretty much never got as much credit or limelight because of all the Frank-wannabes.saithorthepyro wrote:On the Den itself, I'd prefer to keep it around so there's a place to go to argue mechanics with about pathfinder and shadowrun and such that at least is a bit more daring if not honest about the discussion, but I'm not sure how well that will go going forward, IMHO seems to have really dropped off in volume over time. I should probably contribute more myself.
I disagree, the politics were always there and it's only with it being aired and talked about that I feel OK actually expressing myself in any openness at this point. I think Kaelik understands as well as I do that this isn't about stopping Trump, this is about the deeper structural issues with the USA and other imperial core countries that can't be reduced to who's in the seat of POTUS. This has been stated multiple times. The real solutions are more complex than "vote for Biden", and all the rather horrendous things that ascribing so doing as an imperative comes with.Zinegata wrote:Which is why the main point, as I said weeks ago, is that the actual political arguments were completely inconsequential. They accomplished nothing, and changed nothing.
Except that Frank leaving didn't result in "sincere and open discussion on political matters".Sunwitch wrote: Sincere and open discussion on political matters is good. If a byproduct is that someone who can't handle legitimate criticism is made to take the implications of his bloviating seriously by placing it in context and he subsequently fucks off because he can't handle that, good riddance.
FrankTrollman wrote: Actually, our blood banking system is set up exactly the way you'd want it to be if you were a secret vampire conspiracy.
Remember that time Crissa got rebuked and eventually left the forum for being one of the rather few people on this forum who actually had openly and correctly and sincerely progressive, feminist leanings? Where people were at the time kinda hung up over her making things "too political" and then over the span of the 2010s increasingly took on those exact same leanings she advocated and was punished for back then?maglag wrote:Except that Frank leaving didn't result in "sincere and open discussion on political matters".
It resulted in the political discussions getting even worst to the point the forum's owner just went "Fuck your noise, all political discussion is banned".
FrankTrollman wrote:I think Grek already won the thread and we should pack it in.
Chamomile wrote:Grek is a national treasure.
Basically the line of reasoning Frank was using there. I'd thought this thread was just zin still angrily complaining for reasons I haven't bothered to unravel. frank dipping back in to blurt out a weak justification of his actions coupled with this accurate translation of one of his arguments was good for a laugh.DSMatticus wrote:"Citizen, did you visit The Gaming Den on March 3rd, 2020, around 7:13 PM?"
"Uhh, maybe? Sure, I guess. Why?"
"Citizen, do you recognize this meme?"
"Um, lemme see... oh, that one, haha, yeah, that was a good one, wasn't it? I think I got it from xXx_smokingbluntsforsanders420_xXx."
"TAKE 'EM AWAY BOYS, WE GOT OURSELVES A DIDDLY KIDDER."
"What?! What'd I do?!"
"It turns out xXx_smokingbluntsforsanders420_xXx got it from idrawcartoonhorsedickcommissionsopen who found it on reddit after it'd been uploaded by karmafarm919381 whose algorithms saw it when it was retweeted by a minor celebrity you've never heard of but who's trying really, really, really hard to be relevant... who retweeted it from David Silverstone."
"Who the fuck's that?"
"No idea, but says here he's a pedophile so you're going away for a long, long time, you sick fuck."
That's not what sunwitch even said. I don't know why you quoted them then created a different argument right after. They said X is good. If Y is a byproduct then that's also good. Your response is basically "Y didn't result in X, it resulted in Z" which doesn't even fit as a criticism of the thing you quoted.maglag wrote:Except that Frank leaving didn't result in "sincere and open discussion on political matters".
It resulted in the political discussions getting even worst to the point the forum's owner just went "Fuck your noise, all political discussion is banned".
People will always have their political views. The point isn't to say people are bad to have them.Sunwitch wrote: I disagree, the politics were always there and it's only with it being aired and talked about that I feel OK actually expressing myself in any openness at this point. I think Kaelik understands as well as I do that this isn't about stopping Trump, this is about the deeper structural issues with the USA and other imperial core countries that can't be reduced to who's in the seat of POTUS
Look, it's true there's a lot of angry people on the internet debating Biden-Sanders.Thaluikhain wrote:Biden supporters and Sanders supporters getting into heated arguments is hardly unique to this forum, and while they are, as you say, totally pointless arguments on the whole, being stuck in a terrible situation with no good answers means that's not too surprising.
I thought you left the forum? Seriously, you're assuming so much about my motives with this last paragraph - stop quoting me if you're going to speak in several-paragraph diatribes without saying anything. I've barely used this forum for talking about politics for reasons I've already stated, but political matters take up much of my personal life. Say something substantive rather than repeating "you/the rest of this forum don't know how to talk about big adult stuff" over and over again. You're right that this forum has had problems with childish mudslinging from time to time - again, it's one of the reasons I've mostly lurked. Being nice is good, and repetitive put-downs are childish, boring and thoughtless. But transposing that into a larger question that gets debated widely about electoral ethics and where I've already stood at a position similar to Kaelik's for many years without this forum having anything to do with it is just silliness - stop that.Zinegata wrote:too much, yet so far from enough
I choose when I leave, unless fbmf tells me to. Again, it's very telling how accurate Count's supposed "rambling" is about the "leftists" here. They claim they want freedom for everyone, and yet when someone says something that makes them feel uneasy they immediately want to control it and remove it.Sunwitch wrote: I thought you left the forum?
Your motives are as naked and as transparent by how much you keep going on about how Biden bad when nobody gives a shit; just as how pretty much everyone thought Frank's David Silverstone thing was an excuse for his own shitty behavior too.Seriously, you're assuming so much about my motives with this last paragraph
He doesn't have a position, which is why I don't believe for a moment that you have any genuine political positions. He just copies talking points off real progressives like Chomsky or Hedges.I agree with Kaelik's position
Lol, that's your feeble retort? From the guy who was saying Frank can leave if he can't take the heat?Sunwitch wrote:You aren't listening, and you're not as smart as you think you are. Blocking for the sake of my sanity.Zinegata wrote:lots of whining, not much of substance
Hey, Tzor, Maybe the reason I didn't articulate "my" interim plan for transition to a better future in an election thread on TGD is because the debate on a TGD election thread was not going to have any effect on any part of the election precisely because the conversation was not consultants for political campaigns or prominent intellectuals deciding campaign strategy or attempting to sway public opinion.Zinegata wrote:As for Kaelik... again, he has no actual fucking interim plan I can parse.
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It was not a consequential debate. You are not Noam Chomsky. You are not even Chris Hedges.
The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?
Not so! I am totally capable of articulating Kaelik's 'plan'. It's just that doing so is against the forum rules regarding advocating for the death of real world people. Which should tell people a lot about the level of political discourse on this forum and how much of it is people actually agitating for change vs taking the chance to be Internet Tough Guys peacocking their performative anger at one another.Zinegata wrote:Kaelik wanted more sweeping change... but couldn't articulate how to go about it and more importantly neither can you.
FrankTrollman wrote:I think Grek already won the thread and we should pack it in.
Chamomile wrote:Grek is a national treasure.
Politics discussion was given a second chance after Frank packed it in by fbmf, and it just kept getting worst until it was permanently banned, despite being completely Frank-free for many weeks.Sunwitch wrote:To my knowledge, fbmf mostly banned certain forms of political conversation specifically in the wake of Frank packing it in.
FrankTrollman wrote: Actually, our blood banking system is set up exactly the way you'd want it to be if you were a secret vampire conspiracy.
Lol, I suspected as much.Grek wrote:Not so! I am totally capable of articulating Kaelik's 'plan'. It's just that doing so is against the forum rules regarding advocating for the death of real world people. Which should tell people a lot about the level of political discourse on this forum and how much of it is people actually agitating for change vs taking the chance to be Internet Tough Guys peacocking their performative anger at one another.